Makes me recall when calling out “Trump’s white America” apparently outraged some people in investing forum. Maybe those didn’t like their covers blown.
Yeah cause that’s what we all want. An unseasoned, mayonnaise salad called America.
I hate these stupid religious conservatives who don’t know what critical thinking is. Virus on society.
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This is not a Nazi bar.
Are they fucking stupid? Do they not realize HOW MANY MINORITIES EXIST?
And then it well come down to who is white? And some people won’t be the right white and they well go after them.
I pointed this out to some Nazis on Diaspora back in 2016 and their answer was asking how many Jews were in Europe prior to Hitler. They aren’t that bright, but their thought leaders do have an understanding of demographics.
They just want to change them, and I don’t think that they would rule out extreme amounts of violence to get the demographics they want.
Christofascism. Fuck the US.
We are already fucked.
Double fucked
Fuck religion.
Religious participation is plummeting as the compassionate and reasonable people disassociate from Christianity
The right is splintering, and the Kirk shooter being a neonazi shows this
This sounds like good news but they currently hold power. This is when they lash out the hardest.
A neo nazi with a trans girlfriend? Now Ive seen everything…
If you have to lie to yourself to make your ideology make sense then it isn’t valid
And what do you call when you are so fucking balls deep in NEEDING to be right, that you all miss the fact that someone made a silly little joke comment…
Oh man. I bet this article pisses you off.
I’m so sorry to have to point it out. Let me know if you want me to explain why the article is important.
Conservative=/=neo nazi. Fuck, you people are weird.
Stop acting the part if you don’t want the label, Weirdo Actual.
I bet you also call anyone over the age of 18 a boomer too? It must be so hard having to deal with multiple points of view, and that not everyone fits into the little boxes we need to make your brain work.
Conservatives have set a place at their table for Fascists.
If they aren’t fascists then why do they sit with them?
I guess starting my day with a little laughter is a good thing.
I gotta ask, though. Are you a boomer?
I am not. I am not even close to being a boomer. Not that it should matter, as the idea that generational birth would inform my or anyone elses values is pretty weird. You know that TV show the Witcher? Well, one of the producers for the show said that it was so badly written, because the complex nature of the stories would confuse Americans.
When a series is made for a huge mass of viewers, with different experiences, from different parts of the world, and a large part of them are Americans, these simplifications not only make sense, they are necessary. It’s painful for us, and for me too, but the higher level of nuance and complexity will have a smaller range, it won’t reach people. Sometimes it may go too far, but we have to make these decisions and accept them.
At the time I thought, he was wrong. But seeing you all now, its hard to disagree. Most of you are really incapable of seeing the larger picture, and cant follow cause and effect chains for longer than one instance. Too much tiktok and putting feelings of reality. You say them and they say them, but the reality is that theres multiple groups within groups all working independent of each other. Not even MAGA is all just one thing. The most obvious divide there being to release the Epstein files or not. But you all cherry pick each of the groups, for why the whole is the worst. They do it, you do it, and its all just one giant mess of excuses for being cunts to each other all the time. Its not even about winning anymore, its just about the game. About being nasty, and making someone else feel like shit.
And Im sorry, but thats just sad.
Maga is Christian in name only. If hell is real, they’re all going to hell because nothing they do has anything to do with Christ’s teachings.
This. They would never dare attend services in non-white churches and would be hostile to newcomers that appear “different” in their own communities. These folks quickly abandon the teachings of Jesus Christ to fight for “racial purity” hands down.
Love how this is the comment they chose not to downvote
Christianity is an authoritarian death cult, maga are perfectly in line with what the religion really is.
When did Jesus teach about authoritarian death cults?
Maybe so but that’s of very little value to me.
Ironically, MAGA makes me want to believe in christian religion. Bc they would all go straight to the boiler room in hell for eternity.
Everything you said is true, but the maga label narrows the context unnecessarily. It’s been the Republican MO for decades, and the Democrats have generally presented as less forceful christians. But it’s because it works on the people they target with it.
Remember when they put out a document that told us that they were going to do this, and exactly how, and people ignored it or called it “propaganda”?
I feel like the idiots who did this had troll’s calling it propaganda to make folks think it was bullshit
I work with someone, who’s not a stupid person, and not a Republican, and he told me at the time that it was propaganda that the Democrats put out.
Nothing I said got through. All I said was that we’ll have to revisit the conversation in 6 months. Haven’t talked to him about it again yet.
Project 2025 is a shit show and would turn the USA into 1979 Iran.
And 1979 Iran was helped to start by the CIA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Iran
America just loves dictatorships so much it wanted a new one here at home.
*is turning. It’s over halfway implemented and accelerating fast
Stop. Blaming. Maga.
This is the GOP. They fucking TOLD you this was the plan.
They’re the same picture.jpg
MAGA or GOP what’s the difference?
One of these will be pilloried and eventually destroyed. The other will blame the prior for all its bad actions, claim innocence and continue onwards
Anyone remember the “tea party” and all the people that were suddenly “Independents” after W’s popularity hit the skids? I wonder if it will be like that again?
The R’s stand up another version of the “tea party”, people go to those rallies and talk about being “independents”…and run right back to the voting booth at the next possible chance to vote Republican, for whatever monster the Republicans find to run after Taco.
They are viewed as one in the same by sane people. Both garbage, both deserving of a quick and pitiful end.
There’s many, including those in dem leadership, who think maga is just a small part of gop and eventually it’ll go away and gop will go back to how it was.
They don’t want to acknowledge or admit this is what gop has always been
Dude, the GOP = MAGA.
The republicans that were around during bush 2 are gone. That party is gone. The problem is that people that consider themselves Republican like the politicians from that era and before, haven’t not realized that the modern GOP is the same in name only.
Those Republicans aren’t gone. They’re just Democrats now because the entire spectrum of political discourse in the US has shifted that far right.
Remember when the Cheneys found themselves on the outs with the Republicans? Their alliance with Dems would have been utterly unthinkable 25 years ago, but look at them now. As Republicans move further right and Democrats keep trying to court “centrist” voters, all they’re doing is moving their party to the right.
Thank you for reiterating his point?
The truth is all this is above America. Live for humanity. Nations are tools for the sinister minded wealthy. If they don’t have tools they can’t work. Live for humanity.
“Christian”
Theofascist.
Nationalist Christians, or NATCs for short
Thanks for this lol
MAGAts must be very jealous of Iran and Afghanistan.
“white”
Not that it matters but cmon, lol.
““Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”” Matthew 25:41-46 If only more people who claimed to follow Christ read and listened to what Jesus actually had to say about the kinds of people they are persecuting.
This might be my new favorite bible quote.
I’ve never had one before. I’ve been aware of a bunch. Maybe I would have chosen Austin 3:16 for a while as a smart ass teenager in the 90s. But now I have one and it’s this.
Maybe it was intentional and maybe it was luck, but to me this brief passage reaches deep into kinds of things that make for happy vs miserable people.
I can’t help but notice how Jesus pretty clearly points out that there is no hierarchy when it comes to caring for one another.
This is my favourite whenever people try to weaponise the Bible. Jesus said that he is the fulfilment of “the law and the prophets”, and even goes so far as to say some of the laws that were given were only because of how messed up the people of Israel were. If Jesus is the fulfilment of “the law and the prophets”, then what he says is authoritative over what is written in the Old Testament.
As an aside, in the Old Testament “God’s wrath” is most often seen in the form of letting a nation destroy themselves (usually Israel) by doing whatever they want instead of what God instructed them to do, which essentially boils down to the verses I originally quoted. Usually that meant being conquered by another nation or famine. Some may say that same sort of thing is playing out for MAGA. The people claiming to represent God have been doing exactly the opposite of what he told them to do, and now they’re getting what they wanted but it’s destroying them.
This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
Let’s forget a neolib Democrat was president and let an insurrection, election rigging, a child raping conspiracy, and more slide into the background.
You can literally vote blue and shit gets worse and then you’re an asshole for not voting blue. Fucking maga shits of another color.
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You figured it out! I used the phrase most likely to annoy “blue no matter who” tribal members. “Blue maga” isn’t going to listen anyways. Might as well control their reaction.
I might get a bunch of stupid replies and one serious one and if I prompt you guys like so it makes it easier to tell at a glance when I check my inbox.
That’s why nothing will improve. Keep looking back to cast blame rather than coalesce behind popular candidates with popular ideas and even gasp third parties!
Lemmy lefties will spend time convincing ppl not to bote then wonder why we don’t have lefty candidates or at least parts of our platform in a coalition. Pretty sad we don’t have a serious movement.
Funny how the blue no matter who people won’t endorse Zoran or any other left candidate that wins a primary.
Never inch left, always give the right what they want.
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The current state of American democracy is like having a cancer.
Dnc is the chemotherapy that might give you a few more years of losing sanity slowly, throwing up at all the steps. All the while withholding the medicine which might cure you but that is socialism.
Gop is quackery, it will kill you quicker but will be painful.
Not voting is like not taking any medicine. It is painful, it is guaranteed death but you are not wasting any of your resources on half measures.
Ahh the “b b b b b b b both sides same!”
They literally pointed out the difference between them. It’s both sides suck in different and unique ways.
Both sides are the worst. Not the same.
Like you next wording changes anything.
But don’t you see how great things are in Gaza now? Surely the downfall of democracy was worth it.
Things in Gaza will be totally worth it when it is razed to the ground and a huge Trump resort is built on top of it. Gazans can work as waiters and masseuses where their houses used to be!
At least we stuck it to GeNoCiDe JoE, though
I love how y’all love to blame Gaza as if the lack of voters was only to do with that. I mean there were voters who were pro Gaza and voted for fuckin Trump, so I think the Dems “give you nothing” platform was actually an issue.
The Dem’s strategy doesn’t work. It might have worked in 1984 but not now. It’s their fault they keep losing. They can’t act like leftist’s concerns don’t matter yet blame them for their own loss
Exactly. These people are exhausting. Like, have they not seen the current popularity figures of the Democrats? Their popularity is in the shitter because they STILL have no platform beyond “we’re not Trump.” And yet, this thread is still full of centrist muppets blindly parroting, “well, at least they’re better than Trump.” No shit. And that’s why leftists almost universally did vote for Kamala. But then these smug assholes, equipped with a hose running directly from their anus to their nostrils, have the gall to come in here and parrot the same tired rhetoric that caused Kamala to lose in 2024, Hillary to lose in 2016, and would have caused Biden to lose in 2020 if not for Covid.
Just seriously. These dense motherfuckers. When will they realize that being simply better than the Republican isn’t enough to actually win elections. It’s enough to get the left to reluctantly vote for the candidate, but it won’t actually drive out enough ordinary non-politically obsessed people to win an election. People need something to vote FOR. Not something merely to vote AGAINST.
Frankly, at this point, I assume anyone still bitching about leftists not voting for Harris is just a Republican. Non-affiliated and casual voters cost Kamala the election. The leftists almost universally held their nose and voted for Harris. But these Republicans like to foment division on the left, so they try to continually keep the narrative alive that Democrats just need to be a tiny iota better than Republicans, even though that strategy results in a Republican being elected again and again.
Look to the outcomes to understand motives. If following someone’s message results in Republicans winning again and again, odds are good that they’re simply a Republican.
Wanna know something crazy? You can not like the DNC, but still understand that it was fucking stupid to not vote for Harris (as we have all now seen).
I’m so sick of people equating any kind of push back against this bs as making you a shill for the Democratic party. There’s just no room whatsoever for nuance. I’m a bootlicker because I didn’t throw my vote away against literal fascism. Ok.
Most of us here that voted for Harris, did it while holding our noses. WE ARE NOT DNC SHILLS, WE’RE SIMPLY NOT IDIOTS.
You can not like the DNC, but still understand that it was fucking stupid to not vote for Harris (as we have all now seen).
Many of our fellow lefties here have privilege they don’t recognize as having. They have no need for harm minimization because they won’t be targeted first. Its a rather first world problem to keep your self perceived purity clean when your not under seige and can just wait for the perfect candidate. Not everyone has a Mamdani on their ballot.
All war is class war. All war is messy. From my interaction with tankies, anarchist, and otherlefty types and flavors; we don’t have a real movement or willingness to fight.
it’s a big club and we’re not in it…the establishment DNC will refuse reality as long as Trump is alive. they still believe, they have to believe, that the political landscape of america “returns to normal” (code for…can go back to peacefully ratfucking government funds, with their good ol’ boys in the GOP) when trump finally croaks…when that doesn’t materialize is when shit gets real. lotta cope out there riding on that blessed day coming due…
this combination if WallStreet liquidity-parasites, MIC, and AIPAC has ran the USA as a puppet state atleast since the end of WW2, arguably reaches much further back but only after did they start coordinating…they are exceedingly entrenched and have spent the last 70 years building moat after moat built towards the singular purpose of keeping thems in power.
things are going to get even worse… then either much much worse, or alot better, depending on if all these greedy AIPAC motherfuckers see what the NATC party has in store for them vs. what progs have in mind (firing squad or slightly higher taxes…such a hard choice).
Trump really was the perfect spoiler candidate looking back…extensive ties to Epstein (and by extension, all rotten establishment US politicians), dumb as shit with an ego to match…absolutely perfect combination to shine a light on this disfunction we call our government (not to mention making it more clear than ever, how compromised our media-landscape is), on the optimistic outlook that we continue to have elections…trump has single-handedly done more to galvinize the US Left-proper than any other president in living memory
The Democrats went out of their way to spite to the left at every chance and played to the mythical swing voter. A strategy that has never worked more than a one-off. What do you call somebody that keeps doing the same thing expecting different results? Stupid.
Yes, and none of this shit would be happening right now if anyone but trump would have won.
Biden did not change anything. And the point here is that by not changing anything chill out the Republicans to promise to change things and get them elected. How do you not get this?
You’re right about all that. I just get tired of hearing people justify why they stood by and let the orange turd take power again whenever I see news stories like this.
I am not trying to be a dick either, but the same people are still in control of the opposition and fighting under them is doomed to fail. There might be a finality to elections now, we are now facing a pretty aggressive rigging. But since there is a succession battle we could still take it back with a muscular popular reform Party. I just do not want to see America get settled with a kakistocracy, rule of the worst, fixing elections.
Plus bringing the military into domestic affairs, which always ends the same way, the military sees the weakness of the political leaders and the levers of power and they subordinate the politicians and become the true rulers. Honestly the military would be an improvement over these malicious fucking clowns in politics, It could last decades.
When all we need is a new deal to usher in more prosperity for everybody, the grasping Rich included. They have no idea what they are supporting, the monster they’re supporting will destroy them which is the only silver lining here.
Nobody ever said Gaza would be better. We said that Democrats didn’t deserve our vote because they offered no meaningful alternative
You’re holding up a giant sign that says,
“Surely those people willing to sacrifice another group’s very existence will fight to stand up for MY civil rights!”
This is just the left version of Leopards Eating Faces. No one who supports a genocide will lift a finger to protect your civil rights when they are threatened. The only people they care about are themselves. You are not one of the people that someone like Kamala or Biden consider worthy of respect or even consideration. You are beneath them just like the Gazans. If you support a genocide, you clearly view people as expendable and worthy of giving away at the political bargaining table.
You learned nothing from the “first they came for…” poem.
Seems like a lot of copium to ignore the fact y’all bent over and gaped to let fascism ass fuck all of us and actually make things significantly worse in Palestine and the Middle-East as a whole.
This dipshitery of 'Kamala and Joe wouldn’t have protected your rights either" is a pathetic cope. They had 4 years to spearhead their own fascist takeover. They didn’t. Trump and his party of cronies are speed running it.
All the extra blood in Palestine, here in the US and from all other people MAGA is killing is partially on y’alls hands too. And all for a stupid fucking virtue signal. Pathetic.
And all for a stupid fucking virtue signal.
That should be the chapter title in the history books a century from now. If we still have books.
If these people actually gave a shit about Palestine or minorities and women over here, they’d have voted for Kamala.
Instead their support is entirely hollow theatrics, so they let Trump win and now the Palestinian genocide has been exacerbated beyond comprehension.
It’s on you… The tide is turning, and Israel is done, it’s officially a pariah state and while the price we Palestinians paid is way too high, at least most of the world is awake now. You’re still sleeping.
Democrats did nothing to stop Trump for four years when the fascist plan was in the open and he already attempted to overthrow democracy, they weren’t gonna save this empire. Had they won, the genocide in Gaza would have continued just the same, but you’d be patting yourself on the back having voted for the “lesser evil.”
Decent people rejected your nonviable genocidal candidate, and instead of admitting you were wrong, you’re blaming people who opposed genocide on your dime. You deserve Trump, and you’ll deserve him more when you campaign for Newsom in the future rigged election instead of revolting.
Tl;Dr. Palestine won’t exist in 26’ because of protest voters. Just take accountability for your fuck up and b done with it.
Do you have any evidence that things would be better in Gaza with Harris? Neither Biden or Harris gave any indication they’d be prepared to withhold aid for the genocide.
It wont remain existing, immaterial of who would have been in the White House.
Biggest sponsor of Israel is US. No more US, no Israeli holocaust.
They can’t. It does not compute. Refusing to defeat trump was the only logical, well, moral choice you see.
That’s not true. Biden would have done the same thing. He drove voters away, not us
Take some responsibility. The “we’re an iota better than Trump” strategy lost miserably in 2016, 2024, and would have lost in 2020 if not for covid. And here you are, still spreading blood libel about leftists. Leftists almost universally held their nose and voted for the shitty lesser evil candidate, just like they do every fucking time. But it didn’t matter at all, because nonaffiliated and more casual voters don’t show up unless they have someone to vote FOR not someone to vote AGAINST. Not enough ordinary people, not the people hanging out on lemmy politics subs, but just normal working people, were convinced that Kamala would make any meaningful improvement in their lives. Meanwhile, Trump was making an immoral, but very clear and direct case of “I will raise your wages and lower housing costs by deporting millions of immigrants.” Trump made a direct case for how he was going to improve the lives of some portion of the population. Kamala didn’t. And that’s why she lost.
And no, screaming about democracy doesn’t work. It’s a piss poor election strategy. The vast majority of the population doesn’t feel that we actually live in an effective democracy anyway. People don’t feel the need to protect a system that isn’t serving their interests.
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Yeah, go ahead and name call. That really helped you win last time.
If I’m a tankie, you’re a quisling.
I’m sorry, I seem to remember Biden endorsing blood libel against the Palestinians on obviously provable false allegations and never correcting himself.
I seem to recall him doing absolutely fucking nothing to slow down the israelis.
Also nothing in response to the Republicans trying to end the Republic in all but name, his reason for fucking being as president.
With your dog shit Democrats we were never going to keep the fascists out of power, this is your fault for parroting The Establishment Democrats’ bullshit. Even now you won’t admit a mistake.
We need new leadership,.
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At least we won’t have survivor’s guilt
Weird
Real leftists have moved on from the election, while.fake “centrists” are still scapegoating leftists for their own defeat. You didn’t let us make any choices, you can’t blame us for the results
No true scotsman
Not even remotely applicable. In what universe is the DNC leftist?
“Real leftists” isn’t a no true scottsman falacy?
Its not. Its highlighting the misuse of the word leftist, which is commonly misappropriated to neoliberal Democrats. Dems are explicitly, by definition not leftist.
I respectfully disagree with your assertion.
That Democrats aren’t leftists? In what universe is that false?
The ones that keep insisting people “move on” are the same as the ones being scolded. Weird how that works.
Keep scolding and watch how much I roll my eyes
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I notice a trend with ml users.
Lol they deleted my comment.
Anyway, you know that I could just make an alt on another instance? I guess that would confuse you 😆
The lack of introspection is astounding. Ciao.
What should I be reflecting on?
And I notice a trend with Lemmy.world users…
Vile liberal troll farm.
The irony of you saying that is incredible.
Uh huh, so maybe you believe the things you say.
It’s hard to tell, since you just seem like a troll…
This is what Democratic leadership led us to.
Stop making this about the voters. Even if Kamala would have LIED about Gaza and made some amount of concessions, it would have rallied the factions. Her neoliberal ass couldn’t even do that.
Stop making this about the voters.
Now that’s a bizarre take. This is literally what people voted for.
I guess I should have been more particular, and referred to the entire electorate, or at least the electorate that was more inclined to vote for Kamala over Trump.
Read: I didn’t read the article
He never does. Just mindlessly trolls and then sea lions when called out for it.
He says what the mods agree with though so it’s never dealt with, unlike those who point out their sealioning or strawmans
Why accept that your favorite party has issues when you can blame a nebulous group of people? Toss in a dash of “I don’t actually care if people get hurt when my guy does it” sometimes too!
That’s an odd thing to say.
But Harris had a shrill laugh.
… Psst…
The real reason she lost was that she has a vagina. But they know they can’t say that out loud. So, “shrill laugh” it is
what?
you’re totally ignoring that she’s….
‘checks notes’
black
As Josh Johnson said on the daily show: “she’s too young to be president and too old to be a lady.”
Harris was an unpopular sold out corporatist that ran as the status quo and offered zero reform and zero fight against anyone increasingly screwing us, what the fuck did you expect to happen?
People not to vote in Trump.
You have far too high an opinion of humanity.
This pie fed instance will not show me context here. But I presume you are replying to my disparaging the Democrats and blaming them for losing.
The last reform we were offered was in 2008 with healthcare, and that was mostly a failure and the last time they actually fought hard for any sort of Reform that is worth anything. Even then the effort was lacking.
Across the West the left versions of parties have all been seized by conservatives running is the status quo and it is leading to the new right season control and fixing elections.
It would have been easy to stop them, with a real campaign, but not now. I do not see what is so hard to understand, they put some ivy league suits on TV to pass the buck and you guys just buy it don’t you?
I find Lemmy.today is full of trolls for some reason.
Do you notice that?
I just started here so I do not have a baseline, but I do aggressively pick fights on this issue because I want to see us field a slate of candidates that can take the country back before a permanent fix is into tight. An exercise in futility apparently as influence agents and the dupes of the establishment apparently have convinced people to leave the same Aristocrats in charge of the opposition.
It defies reason, we need a new deal and reform not plutocratic rot led by unpopular sold out candidates hand-picked by donors. The candidates still thinking they are playing good cop to Republican bad cop in 1990 even while the Republicans have openly been playing Hitler.
2020 was a gift, even with Biden being unpopular we could have dismantled the part of the party that tried to overthrow democracy and install an autocracy.
Yet we allowed the president to do nothing, to say nothing, to allow our captured federal agencies to fail in their statutory duties without challenge, including the justice department. To let the courts let it happen without rallying the population to pressure them.
To be at 40% popularity for 3 years and not change anything. Then annoint someone at 30% approval the entire term without challeng. Not a single Challenger for leader, or for house or Senate leadership. The party is broken.
I still think not voting Trump in would have been effective.
You’re right. What is happening now is much better /s
You are trying not to address the point. That with the opposition we have what we have now was inevitable. It makes you made a mistake and help get new leadership or enjoy what we have now, and know it is your fault
Obviously not. It’s the fault of Trump voters and those who failed to vote for Harris. Thats it. It was pretty clear how bad Trump would be. So there’s no excuses. If you didn’t vote to stop Trump, you own Trump.
Voters wanted change and the Democrats ran as the status quo for the third presidential election in a row. Each time picking the most unpopular person they possibly could and then blaming voters when they failed. Those voters did support the Democratic nominee in Biden despite further degeneracy and they did nothing with it. There is not a single chance that the Republicans were not going to get in there and try to put the fix in on elections with these people in charge.
We needed a new deal and we got plutocratic right and a Democratic president further right than George HW Bush.
If voters (or those who didn’t bother) couldn’t see that the status quo was much better than Trump, then they chose stupidly and it’s their fault. The democrats put out a candidate that was better than Trump, that’s all that should matter.
The reason democrats didn’t win was because of the vast right wing media system that biases and spins everything and too many idiotic voters who fall for it. If the democrats went more radical left, that same right wing media system would still do its thing to manipulate the stupid voters, but it would also turn off some intelligent centrists from supporting the democrats. Any non idiotic left wing people would already be voting democrat over Trump. But, alas there are too many idiots in the U.S. and that is why we now have trump and his handlers destroying the country.
Bbbb bbbb but Blue Maga!!!
/s
What did i do?
Sorry, wrong number
Not nearly enough protest voters to account for the massive losses of supporters Kamala suffered for her pro-war, pro-genocide, neocon friendly campaign. It was easily one of the worst run campaigns in my lifetime, and despite how abhorrent Trump is, you shouldn’t be surprised at this loss. And you should be ashamed for continuing to blame voters, instead of the failures that are DNC leadership. Who else do we know of who routinely blames the powerless victims for their failures, rather than hold themselves accountable? Be better.
All the Dems had to do was hold a primary in good faith to show they gave a damn about democracy. Couldn’t even do that. Losers.
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It doesn’t matter. They are a niche voting block too small to have swayed the election. Stop acting like they are politically relevant enough to be worth poking and just let them be. We gain nothing by pointing fingers at each other when the real villains are right there.
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Acting like a child
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You’re highlighting an effect, and you’re pointing out the cause by calling out protest non-voters.
You’re absolutely pointing fingers.
“Don’t touch a hot stove, Timmy.”
Timmy touches hot stove
“OW!”
“That’s why i told you to not touch the stove, Tim.”
You: “QUIT BLAMING TIMMY!”
I never said that people shouldn’t vote for Kamala. Hell, I voted for Kamala when the day came.
I did however hold her to a high standard, and drove arguments at the time that she needs to do better if she wants to win more votes than Trump.
Chasing after Republicans was not the right call. Chasing after independents wasn’t the call either. She should have adopted far Left populist policies like Medicare For All, Livable Wages, and an Israel Arms Embargo if she wanted to capture more of the stay-at-home couch potato non-voters.
Not all non-voters were protesters, and Kamala absolutely could have increased her numbers with her policies. She could have even lied to the public about it just to gain power, like Obama in many ways. Liberals can’t even bring themselves to good politicking anymore
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Guess it was more important to make sure children kept getting massacred than winning the Muslim vote in Michigan.
Dude you SOOO! RIGHT, now we can put the damned muzzis into AMERICAN CAMPS. I mean we sure showed those DemoRATS with GEnoCiDE JOE! Now American Muslims can experience genocide as well!
You did it jonne, we have peace in Gaza!
I’m just saying, Democrats didn’t seem to want to do anything to win. They wouldn’t commit to reappointing Lina Khan, for whatever reason decided that running around with a Cheney would be a good idea, and messed up a million other things. It wasn’t just Gaza, they did everything they could to make sure they wouldn’t win, seemingly, in service of the donors.
The donors were happy, gave her more money than Trump got, and they still lost because you need to give the voters something beyond ‘Trump will be worse’.
And that’s after years of gaslighting about how the economy was doing great under Biden while ignoring how much real wages got inflated away from the pandemic until now (and I’m not saying Trump is better on any of those issues, mind you, his voters just tend to not notice when they’re being lied to because the right built an information bubble that’s impervious to the truth).
Well then the best response is the one I already gave: you did it jonne! We now have peace in the middle east! Hurray!
What was Kamala’s plan for achieving peace in the middle east exactly? If you think things would’ve been different with her, she definitely didn’t tell the voters how she’d do that. It was Biden that defunded UNRWA based on fake stories and kicked off this famine.
Found the Republican. Republicans never miss a chance to try and stir up shit among the left.
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Lmao, none of my comments say ‘show division.’ Nice try tho. You’re spamming the same wedge-driving comment across the entire thread. Your agenda is fucking obvious. Gtfoutta here with your right-wing shilling.
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Stop blaming the voters, this is all the Democrats’ fault.
They made it clear they were not going to stop them and all anyone was doing was putting their neck out to be later chopped off.
They already knew being better than the other guy was not enough to win elections yet they kept the same strategy of being more sold out and more worthless every election, offered no reform, offered no fight against anybody screwing us, and ran as the status quo against a Republican party running as reform, knowing full well the voters do not know any better.
And here you are parroting The Establishment Democrats’ bullshit to justify staying in power to fail us again in perhaps our last chance to take the country back in 2028 during the succession fight before elections are fixed completely.
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This toll is only here to sow division. Stop engaging with them.
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Ah personal attacks. Reported and moving on.
You have refused to even read the other poster’s response. And you are wrong. Edit - but it doesn’t matter, Americans are past reason.
This is an unreasonable take and I am going to fight you for it! Source: I am American
Buh? How have I refused?
You are passing the buck, not taking responsibility for trusting The Establishment Democrats knew what they were doing, despite them not knowing what they were doing. Doomed to fail strategy and you are blaming the voters for not continually supporting a worthless Democratic party constitutionally opposed to stopping the republicans, even after a direct attempt to kill the Republic in all but name.
No matter how little esteem we afford the American electorate, they always are worse.
The full court press in 2020 led to nothing. It was clear to everybody the Republicans were going to when in 2021. Because of your Democrats you still allowed to run the opposition.
They’re not blaming them, just outlining that this is, in fact, what they voted for.
You think you voted against the current administration? Because there was no world where these Democrats were going to stop the fascists for more than 4 years.
You’re right, it’s better that fascism happened sooner. Fascist accelerationism was definitely the better option. Enjoy what you voted for.
The Democrats had four years to stop fascism and they did absolutely nothing. What was four more years supposed to do?
First of all it is an ad hominem to assume that I did not vote. Second of all, voting changed nothing, the Democrats refuse to be popular enough to stop the republicans, and refused to enforce the law against the Republicans.
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Stop engaging with this troll. Their only purpose here is to sow division.
You are passing the buck, refusing to take responsibility for believing The Establishment knew what they were doing.
Lmao you just took the word blame out of your last message as if that changes anything. Lol.
If you want: Who’s
blamingpassing the buck? I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
Everything republicans do is the progressives’ collective fault, and liberals never do anything wrong ever.
Yes, not voting is a vote for whoever won, it’s the same reason being “apolitical” doesn’t exist.
Nominating a candidate you know can’t win is voting for the opposition candidate.
Nice strawman. Also, I am informing protest non-voters what they voted for.
This is the part where this conversation goes off the rails. Removing everything under this. It’s not productive.
This isn’t reddit, we don’t have advertisers we have to appeal to. Do we really need this kind of nannying? Can’t adults have adult discussions, even if they’re arguments that get heated?
I didn’t see the removed content, admittedly, but unless it’s overtly hate speech I can’t understand the need to moderate Lemmy as if it was corporate social media. Like isn’t the whole point that it isn’t?
When it reaches this point, it’s removable, here it did:
I’m not sure the situation is improved by a faux authority figure coming in and shouting “we don’t allow slap fighting here!” They’re assumedly adults, so like… let them slap fight and just deal with the eye rolls from onlookers?
I guess I just don’t understand what benefit this kind of moderation is offering and I believe it’s a holdover from the corporate sanitized social media we’re used to that we can and should eschew.
I can’t speak for others, but I’d rather scroll past and ignore bickering adults than a flood of “removed by moderator.”
Not necessarily objecting or complaining, just expressing a viewpoint. Cheers.
edit: For clarity, I have not checked the modlogs so i don’t know the discourse that happened here. Obviously if somebody is only posting in continual bad faith then that’s a detriment to the community and they and their posts should be removed. Things have nuance and context matters, so I’m not trying to make any blanket statements here and acknowledge my potential specific ignorance in this scenario.
We aren’t going to allow threads full of “I’m not touching you! I’m not touching you! I’m not touching you!”
It reaches a point where it boils over to full on trolling, which is more serious and results in longer and longer bans.
Y’all act like children? We treat you like children and send you to your rooms.
Once they cool off, they’re welcome back, but if they keep at it the 24 hour ban turns into 3 days, 7 days, or more.
Quit sowing division troll.
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Okay, so I would be equally justified in saying: Liberals, this is what you get when you assume people must vote for you.
THANK YOU. This far down the road and they’re still ignoring this aspect.
Yes protest voters choosing to make things worse for Palestine and everyone in the US is stupid.
AND liberals and especially the party leadership made a huge miscalculation in assuming everyone would vote for “not Trump.”
Both contributed to the loss. Which is more to blame? There’s a discussion to be had there but imo the overall electoral strategy is a much bigger issue than a handful of stupid people who didn’t vote or voted Trump over this one particular issue
The party leadership isn’t here. Some of the protest voters are. Any statement posted on Lemmy is directed at the voters, not the leadership, and assuming otherwise is arguing in bad faith.
The voters had the opportunity to stop Trump. They didn’t. Many people on Lemmy actively encouraged people to let Trump win. He won. Those are the facts.
What I saw a lot of on Lemmy was democrat supporters and voters insisting that people will just hold their nose and vote for Harris and accusing anybody angry about the ongoing genocide of either supporting Trump or playing into the hands of Russia.
Any statement posted on Lemmy is directed at the voters, not the leadership, and assuming otherwise is arguing in bad faith.
Did I do that? Very confused.
The voters had the opportunity to stop Trump. They didn’t.
Ah yes, it’s all the voters’ fault.
If only the DNC had any power at all in this situation or ability to influence the actions of voters…
Right? They keep acting like the DNC couldn’t have done anything better.
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No, Liberals aren’t responsible for this, they could have sucked, but in the end you stood by and let the genocidal fascists take over.
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Those supporting The Establishment Democrats are responsible for all of this. So naturally they accuse everybody else and blame the voters for their own mistakes. They knew running is the status quo with dog shit unpopular candidates was not enough to win and they did it anyway. Forced it on us.
There’s way more than enough blame to go around.
No, the blame lies with the aristocrats arrogantly controlling the dem party.
The important part is that we don’t blame the republicans for being complete shits, right?
Wait. Are we still talking about protest-non-voters? Trump hand gestures
Got another 3 years and 7 months of informing protest-non-voters what they voted for. Longer if you include time to fix things, which may be never.
You assume that there will be another election, with the current government, this is not a given.
