I’ll never understand why someone could actually want to put effort into dividing the American populace from the America military right now
Like, even if you don’t know about how many non US citizens are in the US military…
It’s seems obvious that the better plan would be getting military on the side of the populace and not the fascists rather than driving the military towards the fascists.
I’ve been trying to figure out a reason for a while, because these posts aren’t uncommon.
But I can’t come up with a reason that wouldn’t be against civility rules if I posted it.
The fascists are the ones who are sending the military personnel to face injury and death. How would this not drive the military away from the fascists?
Because you can never trust or rely on an ally who’s on your side because you are being nice to them instead of because they have some kind of scruples.
It’s no better than say, sucking up to someone with a peace award in the hopes they don’t start a war.
I didn’t say that, and I’ll thank you not to put words in my mouth. Also not to be a dick, but I’ll settle for the first one
What I SAID was, specifically changing your behavior to gain the support of someone whose loyalties are so flaky that they’ll change sides because of your behavior in the first place is a pointless exercise.
Because you can never trust or rely on an ally who’s on your side because you are being nice to them instead of because they have some kind of scruples.
It’s no better than say, sucking up to someone with a peace award in the hopes they don’t start a war.
You said it’s one or the other.
And now you’re saying that people shouldnt have went by the literal words you typed, you’ve retroactively changed what you meant because that rationalize is easier than admitting you were wrong.
I hope you stop imitating our president someday, but I’ll never know. Because you just get belligerent like he does too, and I’m not dealing with that shit.
I have similar feelings with people who put more importance on tone policing while fucking fascists are building concentration camps.
But here we are and that’s what you’re doing
So I usually put one last hail mary comment, because you understanding this is more important than how nice you think someone is:
If you think the message would be better received another way, fucking try that
Don’t try and insist that every spreads the message the same way, because that’s a recipe for it not reaching large parts of the population.
But there’s going to be a lot of less than a week old accounts with single digit comments trying to waste people’s time and stop doing what’s effective.
And here it is. Of course a person like you isn’t gonna reread the thread and go “oh boy i kinda went overboard on this one and went straight for the jugular, i guess i was in a foul mood”.
Nah. Of course you’re gonna write a whole fanfic about how you’re actually trying to maximize good by… telling someone whose point you barely understand that they are “a recent example of the American education system” and “imitating our president someday”.
And you do that, not because you have poor impulse control and emotion management, but because really you are fighting the good fight and trying to spread a positive message to the masses.
The issue is congress really. They have the power to stop anything the President does. Sadly too many Republicans are loyal to Trump alone and not the regular people.
Only hope is a flip in the midterm and Trump gets neutered. We’ll see.
The issue is congress really. They have the power to stop anything the President does. Sadly too many Republicans are loyal to Trump alone and not the regular people.
Which is “kind of” the reason we should be getting the military on the side of the people and not chasing them into the arms of fascism because they have nowhere else to go…
Like, fucking obviously man…
What you’re saying is the reason I said what I said in the first place.
Only hope
That is not the “only” hope, it’s the most pain free “good” option. Saying because that option exists means we out all our eggs in that basket, is even dumber than literally putting all our eggs in one basket.
We can’t just kick our heels up and hope this works, we work on this and the next 27 different plans that would sequentially be the least painfree while arriving at the “good” result.
I dunno, I’m just venting. It’s fucking depressing that every comment is a choice between “too long no one will read” and “if you don’t mention everything obvious, you’ll have to later”.
The Iraq war the way the Republicans (especially in the military) defended George W Bush and continued to support republicans after the as mind boggling.
It’s seems obvious that the better plan would be getting military on the side of the citizens and not the fascists rather than driving the military towards the fascists.
That’s the better plan, as long as they’re willing to denounce American imperialism. If criticizing the imperialism they’re cooperating with is enough to push them away, then they’re less than worthless as an ally. Also some of us aren’t American and don’t care about the health of liberal democracy in your murderous neocolonial empire.
Trump already gutted most of the senior leadership in the American military that wouldn’t dance to his tune. Plus the American military already has a bunch of right leaning uneducated idiots that are more than willing to ‘just follow orders’.
I wouldn’t expect anything much out of them honestly. Like most things what Americans portray and what they do is pretty different. It’s just a couple steps away from calling themselves the Democratic Republic of America.
I’ll never understand why someone could actually want to put effort into dividing the American populace from the America military right now
Like, even if you don’t know about how many non US citizens are in the US military…
It’s seems obvious that the better plan would be getting military on the side of the populace and not the fascists rather than driving the military towards the fascists.
I’ve been trying to figure out a reason for a while, because these posts aren’t uncommon.
But I can’t come up with a reason that wouldn’t be against civility rules if I posted it.
The fascists are the ones who are sending the military personnel to face injury and death. How would this not drive the military away from the fascists?
There is a certain mindset in the military that believes the military is being wasted if they aren’t being actively used. Not everyone, but enough.
Well, you can’t fix stupid. And it’s a fool’s errand to try.
Because you can never trust or rely on an ally who’s on your side because you are being nice to them instead of because they have some kind of scruples.
It’s no better than say, sucking up to someone with a peace award in the hopes they don’t start a war.
Buddy…
If you think the only two options are bing antognistic or “sucking up”…
Well, sounds like you are a recent example of the American education system
I didn’t say that, and I’ll thank you not to put words in my mouth. Also not to be a dick, but I’ll settle for the first one
What I SAID was, specifically changing your behavior to gain the support of someone whose loyalties are so flaky that they’ll change sides because of your behavior in the first place is a pointless exercise.
No, that’s how quoting works, you literally said:
You said it’s one or the other.
And now you’re saying that people shouldnt have went by the literal words you typed, you’ve retroactively changed what you meant because that rationalize is easier than admitting you were wrong.
I hope you stop imitating our president someday, but I’ll never know. Because you just get belligerent like he does too, and I’m not dealing with that shit.
Abrasive comments like that, with no content whatsoever apart from insults, are really the lowest points of the Lemmy experience.
No willingness to share or accept any information, just pure sodium. Despicable really.
I have similar feelings with people who put more importance on tone policing while fucking fascists are building concentration camps.
But here we are and that’s what you’re doing
So I usually put one last hail mary comment, because you understanding this is more important than how nice you think someone is:
If you think the message would be better received another way, fucking try that
Don’t try and insist that every spreads the message the same way, because that’s a recipe for it not reaching large parts of the population.
But there’s going to be a lot of less than a week old accounts with single digit comments trying to waste people’s time and stop doing what’s effective.
And how do I know which you are?
And here it is. Of course a person like you isn’t gonna reread the thread and go “oh boy i kinda went overboard on this one and went straight for the jugular, i guess i was in a foul mood”.
Nah. Of course you’re gonna write a whole fanfic about how you’re actually trying to maximize good by… telling someone whose point you barely understand that they are “a recent example of the American education system” and “imitating our president someday”.
And you do that, not because you have poor impulse control and emotion management, but because really you are fighting the good fight and trying to spread a positive message to the masses.
What a fucking useless way to spend calories.
No, actually, this is how quoting works. See how, quite literally, they never said it was one or the other? You just made that up.
YOU, on the other hand, quoted them, then put words in their mouth that they didn’t say. And I can quote that here.
Hey what the fuck man! I was looking forward to arguing more! You can’t kick me out!
This isn’t arguments, this is abuse. You want room 7a upstairs
The issue is congress really. They have the power to stop anything the President does. Sadly too many Republicans are loyal to Trump alone and not the regular people.
Only hope is a flip in the midterm and Trump gets neutered. We’ll see.
Which is “kind of” the reason we should be getting the military on the side of the people and not chasing them into the arms of fascism because they have nowhere else to go…
Like, fucking obviously man…
What you’re saying is the reason I said what I said in the first place.
That is not the “only” hope, it’s the most pain free “good” option. Saying because that option exists means we out all our eggs in that basket, is even dumber than literally putting all our eggs in one basket.
We can’t just kick our heels up and hope this works, we work on this and the next 27 different plans that would sequentially be the least painfree while arriving at the “good” result.
I dunno, I’m just venting. It’s fucking depressing that every comment is a choice between “too long no one will read” and “if you don’t mention everything obvious, you’ll have to later”.
This meme made me feel empathetic to those in the military, not divided.
The Iraq war the way the Republicans (especially in the military) defended George W Bush and continued to support republicans after the as mind boggling.
Iraq wasn’t just the GOP. Most Democratic leaders - including Hillary Clinton and Biden - supported and voted for it
That’s the better plan, as long as they’re willing to denounce American imperialism. If criticizing the imperialism they’re cooperating with is enough to push them away, then they’re less than worthless as an ally. Also some of us aren’t American and don’t care about the health of liberal democracy in your murderous neocolonial empire.
Trump already gutted most of the senior leadership in the American military that wouldn’t dance to his tune. Plus the American military already has a bunch of right leaning uneducated idiots that are more than willing to ‘just follow orders’.
I wouldn’t expect anything much out of them honestly. Like most things what Americans portray and what they do is pretty different. It’s just a couple steps away from calling themselves the Democratic Republic of America.
They would NEVER call themselves anything that has the word ‘Democrat’ within it.