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    He called you losers and suckers and you still enlisted. Not going to shed a salty tear for lives lost in the new middle eastern quagmire.

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    In about 10 years there will be a bunch of movies about how depressed soldiers got doing it.

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    I don’t know. I’ve been told they are “just a bunch of suckers” so /shrug

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      21 hours ago

      SCOTUS Justice Roberts flew an inverted flag at his residence in support of the Big Lie.
      Wonder what his thoughts may be today…

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          The multitude of marks that support a fascist regime get the emotion right and the facts wrong, making them useful idiots for the ideological fascists as they will fight to defend the fascist state with the same zeal with which they ought to oppose it. The environment of fear that fascism creates ends up fueling their hatred because the virtual reality that fascist propaganda maintains for them allows them to misattribute all their negative emotions to the enemies of the state.

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        It’s fairly common slang among people in the military. With “going to play in the sandbox” being a euphemism for a deployment in Afghanistan or Iraq.

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          Yes. That is the problem I’m pointing out. The slang used by imperialist soldiers shouldnt be used by people who claim to criticize imperialism.

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        Not the poster, but I’m going to assume they say so because: “Middle East has lots of sand = sandbox” with the additional layer of meaning of “sandbox” as a place where children play and make stuff up, implying (perhaps) that the Middle East tends to be the place where the wealthy and powerful “play around,” treating the people who live there (and the war machine they bring to it) as toys for their (sick) amusement. At least this is how I read it.

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          Yes, I’m saying that using the term is obviously problematic as it has been used to devalue the space in dozens of countries and the lives of millions of people. This commenter made this comment as though they’re critical of US imperialism but reproduced its enforced understanding of these regions.

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    I’ll never understand why someone could actually want to put effort into dividing the American populace from the America military right now

    Like, even if you don’t know about how many non US citizens are in the US military…

    It’s seems obvious that the better plan would be getting military on the side of the populace and not the fascists rather than driving the military towards the fascists.

    I’ve been trying to figure out a reason for a while, because these posts aren’t uncommon.

    But I can’t come up with a reason that wouldn’t be against civility rules if I posted it.

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      The fascists are the ones who are sending the military personnel to face injury and death. How would this not drive the military away from the fascists?

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      Because you can never trust or rely on an ally who’s on your side because you are being nice to them instead of because they have some kind of scruples.

      It’s no better than say, sucking up to someone with a peace award in the hopes they don’t start a war.

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        It’s no better than say, sucking up to someone with a peace award in the hopes they don’t start a war.

        Buddy…

        If you think the only two options are bing antognistic or “sucking up”…

        Well, sounds like you are a recent example of the American education system

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          I didn’t say that, and I’ll thank you not to put words in my mouth. Also not to be a dick, but I’ll settle for the first one

          What I SAID was, specifically changing your behavior to gain the support of someone whose loyalties are so flaky that they’ll change sides because of your behavior in the first place is a pointless exercise.

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            I didn’t say that

            No, that’s how quoting works, you literally said:

            Because you can never trust or rely on an ally who’s on your side because you are being nice to them instead of because they have some kind of scruples.

            It’s no better than say, sucking up to someone with a peace award in the hopes they don’t start a war.

            You said it’s one or the other.

            And now you’re saying that people shouldnt have went by the literal words you typed, you’ve retroactively changed what you meant because that rationalize is easier than admitting you were wrong.

            I hope you stop imitating our president someday, but I’ll never know. Because you just get belligerent like he does too, and I’m not dealing with that shit.

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              Abrasive comments like that, with no content whatsoever apart from insults, are really the lowest points of the Lemmy experience.

              No willingness to share or accept any information, just pure sodium. Despicable really.

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              It’s no better than say, sucking up to someone with a peace award in the hopes they don’t start a war.

              No, actually, this is how quoting works. See how, quite literally, they never said it was one or the other? You just made that up.

              YOU, on the other hand, quoted them, then put words in their mouth that they didn’t say. And I can quote that here.

              You said it’s one or the other.

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      The issue is congress really. They have the power to stop anything the President does. Sadly too many Republicans are loyal to Trump alone and not the regular people.

      Only hope is a flip in the midterm and Trump gets neutered. We’ll see.

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        The issue is congress really. They have the power to stop anything the President does. Sadly too many Republicans are loyal to Trump alone and not the regular people.

        Which is “kind of” the reason we should be getting the military on the side of the people and not chasing them into the arms of fascism because they have nowhere else to go…

        Like, fucking obviously man…

        What you’re saying is the reason I said what I said in the first place.

        Only hope

        That is not the “only” hope, it’s the most pain free “good” option. Saying because that option exists means we out all our eggs in that basket, is even dumber than literally putting all our eggs in one basket.

        We can’t just kick our heels up and hope this works, we work on this and the next 27 different plans that would sequentially be the least painfree while arriving at the “good” result.

        I dunno, I’m just venting. It’s fucking depressing that every comment is a choice between “too long no one will read” and “if you don’t mention everything obvious, you’ll have to later”.

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      The Iraq war the way the Republicans (especially in the military) defended George W Bush and continued to support republicans after the as mind boggling.

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        Iraq wasn’t just the GOP. Most Democratic leaders - including Hillary Clinton and Biden - supported and voted for it

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      It’s seems obvious that the better plan would be getting military on the side of the citizens and not the fascists rather than driving the military towards the fascists.

      That’s the better plan, as long as they’re willing to denounce American imperialism. If criticizing the imperialism they’re cooperating with is enough to push them away, then they’re less than worthless as an ally. Also some of us aren’t American and don’t care about the health of liberal democracy in your murderous neocolonial empire.

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        Trump already gutted most of the senior leadership in the American military that wouldn’t dance to his tune. Plus the American military already has a bunch of right leaning uneducated idiots that are more than willing to ‘just follow orders’.

        I wouldn’t expect anything much out of them honestly. Like most things what Americans portray and what they do is pretty different. It’s just a couple steps away from calling themselves the Democratic Republic of America.

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          It’s just a couple steps away from calling themselves the Democratic Republic of America.

          They would NEVER call themselves anything that has the word ‘Democrat’ within it.