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    The US evangelical movement is entirely unconnected with what any rational person would call grace or love. It is a movement about hate and racism.

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    Hold up, I’m gonna check you’re handbook.

    For, “Whoever would love life and see good days must keep their tongue from evil and their lips from deceitful speech. They must turn from evil and do good; they must seek peace and pursue it.” -1 Peter 3:10-11

    Oh hey check this one out too.

    Eloquent lips are unsuited to a godless fool— how much worse lying lips to a ruler! -Proverbs 17:7

    Damn y’all are just so fucking bad at your one job.

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    djtbible.jpg

    The man doesn’t even know how to hold a book correctly, and there’s plenty of evidence to suggest he may actually be functionally illiterate. I highly doubt he’s read a single verse of the bible.

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    Jesus: treat others with respect, love, peace.

    Trump: make money by scamming people, blame others for your mistakes, start wars, prosecute minorities.

    Yeah, Trump gets it.

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    All I want to know is when the church will start booting these guys to the curb and denouncing them.

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      He’s an evangelical, so the only requirement he has is saying ‘I’m a pastor.’ This particular one already has a litany of controversial quotes and, like many evangelicals, is staunchly anti-catholic, calling them a satanic Babylonian cult at one point.

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        Yeah I get that there are several sects of Christianity, just like any other religion. The Pope has no authority over non-Catholics. That said, you would think that even some Protestants would see this as an affront to the teachings of Jesus and cast out the bad ones in their midst.

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          You would think, because you are a logical and rational person. But they are not. Jesus exists in their world, purely as a bludgeon to push their own horrible beliefs.

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          Some Protestants would indeed, too bad there are sects of Protestants ranging from Diet Catholic to sanke handling faith healers

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          Cast them out how? There is no central organization overseeing all Christian groups. You can literally start your own church tomorrow if you want and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop you, or keep others from associating with you.

          It’s not so different from the fediverse. You can ban people, but you can’t stop them from going somewhere else. And if they start their own instance, you can defederate from it but you can’t actually shut them down or stop others from joining them.

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          There is no central authority to make this happen. Any dildo can (and will) open a new church in a strip mall and continue grifting rubes.

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        Kind of, or at least the pope shouldn’t… bit the followers tend to be authoritarian and so seem to also respond to authority figures.

        I’ve definitely seen how Protestants respond to the pope shift dramatically in the past 40 years.

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      Just as there are Americans who are not enamored with Trump who are not getting the media spotlight, there are Christians reacting negatively. But the media is focusing on the Maga Nationalist Christians. It’s simply more profitable to focus on the extremists.

      Here are some examples that the media has only touched on lightly.

      “While I’m at it, I’m going to say what I feel right here. I wish the president of the United States would clean up his language. I wish he would stop insulting people. A leader should not give himself to insulting people all the time, and using foul language. And while I’m at it, I’m going to finish: everybody in the White House cusses except two women that say they are born again. But they’re all foul mouthed. Let me tell you what the Bible says: “From the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks.” Listen, don’t you dare get being conservative mixed up with being a Christian. Conservative does not mean Christian. You can be pro-life, you can be pro-Biblical family, you can be pro-Israel and die and go to Hell. You can be all of that stuff and that does not make you a Christian. Folks, I am a Christian. I am not a white Christian. You’re not a black Christian. I’m not in a white evangelical movement. There’s no such thing as a black church. We are one in Christ. There is neither male nor female. There is neither black, or white, or slave, or poor. We are all one in Jesus Christ. No! Go ahead and praise the Lord! Don’t talk about the people that represent you. They don’t represent me.

      Pastor Loran Livingston, Central Church, FEB 28, 2026

      https://youtu.be/3ZeWDtREdW4?t=5078


      https://churchleaders.com/news/2215893-heresy-paula-white-cain-trump-jesus-easter.html


      John Piper Under Fire for Referring to Trump’s Re-Election as an ‘Evil’

      NOV 7, 2024

      https://churchleaders.com/news/500345-john-piper-under-fire-for-referring-to-trump-as-a-test-from-god.html


      He criticized Donald Trump and the Southern Baptist Convention’s response to a sexual abuse crisis. Then he found himself on the outside.

      Who is he? Russell Moore was one of the top officials in the Southern Baptist Convention.

      AUG 8, 2023

      https://www.npr.org/2023/08/08/1192663920/southern-baptist-convention-donald-trump-christianity


      https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2053207948294574577


      During his Sunday sermon, Pastor James Rigby who leads St. Andrew’s Presbyterian in Austin, he noted that people have “mixed feelings” about the shooting but affirmed, “It’s really really important if we are going to be the healing agents of the world to realize that violence is not going to get rid of the problem that we have.”

      “I said last week, if violence could have gotten rid of racism, the Civil War would have worked,” he continued. “But if you look at the Bible Belt and the heart of the MAGA movement, it is the Confederacy. The America they want to get back to is the Confederate States of America, not the United States of America.”

      The pastor further stressed that “It’s very important that even as we fight for justice, even as we protect each other from this fascistic movement, that we not do to them what they’re doing to the rest of us.

      APR 27, 2026

      https://townhall.com/tipsheet/jeff-charles/2026/04/27/james-talaricos-pastor-said-the-trump-administration-wants-to-revive-the-confederacy-n2675128


      MAY 4, 2026

      https://www.cnn.com/2026/05/04/world/video/bishop-trump-critic-lamb-live-050404aseg1-cnni-religion-fast


      The Bishop of Palm Beach Manuel de Jesús Rodríguez wrote on X on Thursday: “The renewed attacks directed by President Trump against our Holy Father, Pope Leo XIV, are entirely inconsistent with the Pope’s longstanding witness to justice, peace, and the dignity of every human person.”

      Rodríguez has previously criticized Trump’s immigration rhetoric and policies

      MAY 07, 2026

      https://www.newsweek.com/trump-criticized-bishop-palm-beach-hours-before-marco-rubio-pope-leo-meeting-11923091


      “I think a lot of moderates, a lot of centrist Republicans and Democrats, are saying, ‘This is not right,‘” Hamilton told Religion News Service. “Whether it’s how we treat immigrants and making people afraid in our own borders, or the rhetoric that comes out of Washington, or cutting programs like SNAP and other programs that affect low-income children and families in America, I think there’s a lot of pastors and a lot of Christians who have just said, ‘This is not us.’”

      MAY 03, 2026

      https://www.alternet.org/megachurch-trump/


      https://www.instagram.com/pastorbrandonaz

      Edit: inserting dates so that you can see it’s not all recent, but has been going on for years. Yes, I did focus on a lot of the recent ones. And this is not all, I simply got tired of typing. It’s tiring reporting on what the media resists reporting.

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      Your question gets to the crux of the issue, I believe big money will betray religion, but religion could get the jump on big money, it won’t though because there’s such an overlap. Big money wins. Unless we stop them.

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      I assumed you were saying you want to know when the church replaces crucifixes and Christ references with trump. Doesn’t seem far off to me.

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      Never. That’s the whole point of church. Anyone with half a brain knows there is no god and the [insert religious text] is a book created by man.

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          why france doesn’t remove the king of England

          There were a few times in history that they tried to do so.

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          All churches are the same. They just have different bank accounts.

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            Not really, Evangelicals don’t recognise the Pope as an authority. It’s only Roman Catholics.

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                Power is god, wealth is merely one of the easiest ways to attain and retain power. But don’t discount the power of the cult of personality, “prophets”, “saviors”, and the allure of divinely appointed superiority of a “select” group of people. There’s dirt-poor motherfuckers who murder, steal, and rape without a second thought because they are of the belief their god approves and they have the power to victimize someone.

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      I mean I’ll take this guy over honor killings of women any day.

      There are certainly worse religious people around than this guy and the majority of American Christians are also better than this guy.

      If we’re comparing the traditional western or historically majority Christian nations then yeah the US is absolutely the worst.

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        ALL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ARE LIARS I DIDNT FUCKING STUTTER.

        IF THIS OFFENDS YOU I AM TALKING ABOUT YOU.

        thank you for your attention to this matter

        • Wayne Gretzky — Michael Scott
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          That’s not what my comment said dude or what I was addressing at all.

          Nuance is dead resume circle jerking

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    What’s Donald Trump’s favorite book or passages from the Bible? “All of them”. New or old Testament? “Both”. It’s deeply personal though, so he won’t say.

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      And the Pope would probably only reference a few specific passages, probably doesn’t even know any others. If President Trump said he loves them all, then CLEARLY he’s read them all!