and Charlie arguably did things you should also consider Antisemitism. he said abortions are worse than the Holocaust and greeted a German with “Deutschland über alles” which is illegal to say in Germany
EDIT: apparently it’s not illegal to say, just removed from the anthem. still, noone says it because that’s nazi shit.
It’s from the banned part that the nazis used. Today’s national anthem starts at a later part of the same song. Why they didn’t go with something entirely new is beyond me but that’s a different question.
Well, it was a popular song that was made into the national anthem of the Weimar Republic. The Nazis kept it, but added another one.
The Deutschlandlied/Lied der Deutschen is mostly about uniting the disperate kingdoms that used to be where Germany was into one country. The use of the first two stanza was mainly discontinued because they mentioned borders that are way outside modern Germany, and are a bit unserious for an anthem (German women, German wine).
They also aren’t banned, just not part of the national anthem.
So it wasn’t written by the Nazis, and not necessarily their main anthem. Still, something new would have been nice. I like the Kinderhymne, I would also have taken Auferstanden aus Ruinen, it’s a lot more upbeat. But oh well, we’re stuck with it for now.
I think part of the reasoning also was the “Germany, Germany above everything, above everything in the world” is quite literally incompatible with our modern constitution and the desire for redemption in the time after the war. The idea of a nation state being above anyone was consciously rejected, which is why the very first words of our constitution literally reads:
(1) Human dignity shall be inviolable. To respect and protect it shall be the duty of all state authority.
(2) The German people therefore acknowledge inviolable and inalienable human rights as the basis of every community, of peace and of justice in the world.
Literally nothing can stand above human rights and human dignity, including Germany itself.
But again, the German Anthem literally starts with “Deutschland, Deutschland über alles!” and you see the national team sing it every time they play. That’s why i can’t understand how it can be illegal to say in Germany when it is literally the opening stanza of their national anthem.
Yes, you’ll have to forgive me for not realizing the German national anthem no longer uses the only line of the song that the English speaking world actually knows. And literally every link when you search “Deutschland über alles” says “German National Anthem”
I see now that it isn’t actually the anthem anymore, just a partt
How the fuck do you manage to be so confidently wrong when everyone tells you you’re wrong, and a single Google Search would prove that. The anthem starts with “Unity and right and freedom”.
Unity and right and freedom
For the German fatherland!
Let us all pursue this purpose
Fraternally with heart and hand!
Unity and right and freedom
Are the pledge of happiness;
|:Flourish in this blessing’s glory,
Flourish, German fatherland!:|
Die erste Strophe des Deutschlandliedes wurde während der Nazizeit zu Propagandazwecken instrumentalisiert, da sie insbesondere zwei Botschaften beinhaltet:
Treue dem Vaterland, übersteigerter Nationalismus, was später zu nationalem Märtyrertum verklärt wurde (siehe Langemarck-Mythos)
“Von der Maas bis an die Memel, von der Etsch bis an den Belt.” Das umfasst ein geografisch größeres Gebiet als das der damaligen Weimarer Republik (siehe Bild für einen Vergleich mit den heutigen Grenzen). Insbesondere inkludiert das auch Österreich. Das lies sich hervorragend in die expansionistische Lebensraum-Ideologie der Nazis einbetten, welche diese als Rechtfertigung für ihre Eroberungskriege nutzten.
Heute wird aus genau diesen Gründen die erste Strophe nicht mehr verwendet. Die einzigen, die die erste Strophe des Deutschlandliedes weiterhin singen, sind Neonazis wie die Mitglieder der Partei die Heimat (ehemals NPD).
and Charlie arguably did things you should also consider Antisemitism. he said abortions are worse than the Holocaust and greeted a German with “Deutschland über alles” which is illegal to say in Germany
EDIT: apparently it’s not illegal to say, just removed from the anthem. still, noone says it because that’s nazi shit.
more importantly he peddled neo-Nazi conspiracies and claimed Jews control the media, education, non-profits, etc. and are pushing “cultural Marxism”
this guy was pushing neo-Nazi and anti-Semitic conspiracy theories - it’s so much worse than comparing abortions to the Holocaust, lol
Charlie Kirk is a fascist. Period.
Was
He’s pining for the fjords.
He’s stunned !
although these words are taboo, they are not actually banned by German law
oh, I could’ve sworn it’s illegal. I must have misrememberef
Deutschland über alles is literally the German national anthem though. I don’t see how it can be illegal to say
It’s from the banned part that the nazis used. Today’s national anthem starts at a later part of the same song. Why they didn’t go with something entirely new is beyond me but that’s a different question.
Well, it was a popular song that was made into the national anthem of the Weimar Republic. The Nazis kept it, but added another one.
The Deutschlandlied/Lied der Deutschen is mostly about uniting the disperate kingdoms that used to be where Germany was into one country. The use of the first two stanza was mainly discontinued because they mentioned borders that are way outside modern Germany, and are a bit unserious for an anthem (German women, German wine). They also aren’t banned, just not part of the national anthem.
So it wasn’t written by the Nazis, and not necessarily their main anthem. Still, something new would have been nice. I like the Kinderhymne, I would also have taken Auferstanden aus Ruinen, it’s a lot more upbeat. But oh well, we’re stuck with it for now.
I think part of the reasoning also was the “Germany, Germany above everything, above everything in the world” is quite literally incompatible with our modern constitution and the desire for redemption in the time after the war. The idea of a nation state being above anyone was consciously rejected, which is why the very first words of our constitution literally reads:
(1) Human dignity shall be inviolable. To respect and protect it shall be the duty of all state authority.
(2) The German people therefore acknowledge inviolable and inalienable human rights as the basis of every community, of peace and of justice in the world.
Literally nothing can stand above human rights and human dignity, including Germany itself.
Yeah, that’s probably another reason.
But again, the German Anthem literally starts with “Deutschland, Deutschland über alles!” and you see the national team sing it every time they play. That’s why i can’t understand how it can be illegal to say in Germany when it is literally the opening stanza of their national anthem.
Das stimmt nicht. Es wird die erste Strophe NICHT gesungen.
You are wrong.
Yes, you’ll have to forgive me for not realizing the German national anthem no longer uses the only line of the song that the English speaking world actually knows. And literally every link when you search “Deutschland über alles” says “German National Anthem”
I see now that it isn’t actually the anthem anymore, just a partt
How the fuck do you manage to be so confidently wrong when everyone tells you you’re wrong, and a single Google Search would prove that. The anthem starts with “Unity and right and freedom”.
This is the national anthem, translated:
Unity and right and freedom For the German fatherland! Let us all pursue this purpose Fraternally with heart and hand! Unity and right and freedom Are the pledge of happiness; |:Flourish in this blessing’s glory, Flourish, German fatherland!:|
The German anthem starts with “Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit”.
Appreciate knowing this. Cheers
Die erste Strophe des Deutschlandliedes wurde während der Nazizeit zu Propagandazwecken instrumentalisiert, da sie insbesondere zwei Botschaften beinhaltet:
Heute wird aus genau diesen Gründen die erste Strophe nicht mehr verwendet. Die einzigen, die die erste Strophe des Deutschlandliedes weiterhin singen, sind Neonazis wie die Mitglieder der Partei die Heimat (ehemals NPD).
Hope that clears up the confusion.