Looks like Gam Gam is becoming a liability.
Imagine planning Thanksgiving without proper opsec 🙄🤦♂️
The Wampanoag tried, and see what happened to them.
He’s responding to his mom on iMessage! Can you believe that shit? 😡
The guy kinda sounds like a douche…
No, Gam Gam must adapt.
She can have somebody help install a new app on her phone if she needs help. Sorry but statistically you probably voted to create the society that made this necessary, even if they were a Democrat they still probably voted in the primaries for corporate politicians who also push surveillance. It’s basic cause and effect
I can’t tell if you’re missing the joke or if I’m missing it right now. I’m Australian btw, so statistically, I voted in an Australian election.
No, no, everyone on the internet is from the USA AMERICA FUCK YEAH AMIRIGHT BROTHER!! 🦅🦅🦅 red vs blue, dems vs republicans AMIRIGHT!!!
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Dudes probably an SF technofascist.
Right. Look, I want people moving to more independent services too, but I know that sometimes you have to meet people where they are. I keep Meta accounts because sometimes I need to see family pictures or engage with some random FB group.
You can work on getting people to try things and adapt without just going “Fuck you, you do it my way or not at all.”
I mean, if they were somehow forcing them all to move the group chat, sure. That might be a valid argument then.
But as it is, it seems they simply left the group chat, and said “if you want me in it, move it to signal.”
That’s not forcing anyone to do anything. That’s setting a boundary. The people trying to pressure OOP into using software they don’t trust are the only ones trying to force anything.
Isn’t MK in this scenario doing the same thing? Trying to put pressure on their family to use a piece of software they don’t know and aren’t comfortable using?
I mean yeah, MK’s take is more informed, but sides are likely to see it as the other side trying to get them to cave.
Anyway. Rereading, “Signal is better opsec” when your 92yo grandmother wants to plan Thanksgiving is cracking me up.
I think they’re more saying they won’t participate in an imessage group chat. Which would ordinarily be fine. It’s only strange in this case because they’re still using imessage.
Anyway. Rereading, “Signal is better opsec” when your 92yo grandmother wants to plan Thanksgiving is cracking me up.
If palantir knows who’s bringing the stuffing, what else do they know about you and your family?
“I only support a genocidal wannabe oligarch who actively uses his pet propaganda network to directly influence elections and policy across the globe in an effort to bring back feudalism because not doing so would be mildly inconvenient” isn’t exactly the hot take you think it is tbh.
If you kept using Facebook services after Cambridge Analytica then you are part of the problem, period.
Okay.
No…
No.
I’m tired of being consistently correct and it taking other people a decade to figure that out.
Fuck you, you do it my way or not at all.
I’m an introvert, I’ll be fine without you.
Also conceding ground just gives the powers of evil what they want. If more than one person in the group chat got insistent then that would be a lot more leverage. If the majority decide it was time to move the move has already happened and the ones who haven’t moved are the ones who are being obnoxious and sticking to a different app
Everything is horrible and awful, but trying to hold my own friends and family accountable for their own actions?
Well that’s just rude, unreasonable!
… It’s genuinely comical how hypocritical, how turbolib coded it is, to offer any defense whatsoever for a person to continue engaging in a harmful practice when the alternative already exists and works and takes maybe 90 seconds to switch over to, at literally no monetary cost.
Everyone is wrong and dumb, except the people in my immediate proximity, they’re just misunderstood!
Fucking spare me.
Oh… look how fine you are.
Yeah that’s right, I am that bitch.
Tough, Lemmy, or kiss my ass.
No Reddit ever.
Username checks out
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I mean, it has to be satire, they even said “iMessage” instead of text, meaning the guy super obsessed with privacy still uses an iPhone…
And still clearly uses it. Because that’s what the screenshot is from.
Are people taking that as an authentic conversation?
I overestimate people a lot, but I’m genuinely confused if I’m overestimating they hypothetical screenshot and people are dumb enough to be like that, or if I’m overestimating people who see it and can’t tell it’s an obvious joke…
It’s the eternal quesion
Are people taking that as an authentic conversation?
no, but opsec people will genuinely act like this sometimes
I was curious enough to look at twitter…
That’s 100% a shit post account, absolutely nothing they post should be considered authentic:
I did chuckle at the one about “only negotiating with Dr Pepper himself” one tho.
But yeah, anybody that thought they were serious bit the onion
It’s a very thin line these days. It’s like trying to distinguish theonion vs nottheonion articles.
This one was satire, I googled the account name and nothing they post is serious
I’m not doubting there are people who care about privacy but don’t know anything about it. But the account who made the twitter post, was making fun of those people.
They just didn’t put “/s”
And when a screenshot strips all context, it’s really hard to tell. Which is why I actually went to twitter, it’s the only way to be sure.
People need to stop taking things presented in a vacuum with zero context, as whatever they first assume it to be.
Yeah apparently you are (overestimating).
A guy named MK Ultra Victim posting obvious satire isn’t clear enough for a lot of Lemmy users, who’d rather pontificate against the parody.
just using the word opsec with your mom when you aren’t a family of International spies is super cringe, imo
Idk you might be her drug dealer
(It’s a joke m8)
I live in the Netherlands so everyone uses Whatsapp. Which is worse than just SMS, even if SMS is less secure. Giving your data willingly to the Zuck is beyond stupid. I setup Whatsapp Business to send an autoreply that says that I’m on Signal if they want to contact me. Almost no one switches over and they just send me a SMS message. To be honest I don’t care, I’m just glad that I’m not part of many family group chats anymore.
So many of my kids’ activities have a WhatsApp group for the parents to discuss upcoming games, practices and snack schedules. I always catch some flack for refusing to install zuck’s spyware on my phone.
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Granny did the risk assessment and decided that ease of use and low-maintenance is more important than security when it comes to everyday family matters.
Not everyone ends in jail when they fuck up their opsec. Granny doesn’t run an online cocaine business.
Granny doesn’t run an online cocaine business.
… or does she ?
She actually does, but cares about opsec there, so word hasn’t gotten out that it’s her.
Ease of use and low maintenance just means inertia. I remember back when people wrote Tech articles saying that Windows XP was intuitive as an argument against Linux but it turns out that intuitive only ever meant it works exactly like Windows xp. Then people got smartphones and using a second type of computer interface turned out to be no big deal. And now Linux market share is growing rapidly, something we were told was never going to happen because of all sorts of reasons that apparently don’t apply.
Tbf linux has gone a long way to remove lot of the inertia. Also, with LLMs, its so much easier to use and learn Linux. Instead of chasing a problem for an hour on old forums you can get direct explanation and an answer in a minute.
Granny is smart enough to get grandson to be doing the leg work and never share a signal chat with him.
Signal is hardly difficult to use tho. It’s just another messaging app
I was able to get my family to move to signal but that was because they were already on WhatsApp.
This is a shitpost but some people are taking it a bit too seriously, a family group chat doesn’t have to risk profile to require a level of “OpSec” that would require everyone to be on e2ee messaging. Don’t isolate yourself from your family over MMS group chat messages, maybe just don’t share your IBS flare ups in it if you are that concerned.
Yes, you do. Because we live in an era where Uber driver or nurse pay is based on surveillance: the more desperate they are, the lower the payment offered for the trip or the shift. Because we’re facing surveillance pricing also, where surveillance is going to compute how much you’re ready or desperate to pay for something, regardless its cost, and that might be higher than your reighbour’s result. Because we live in an era where abortion is banned in multiple places and who know what else will be later, after one of your relative will have told you what will become a confession?
So yes, you do give a damn, and no you don’t talk over corporate surveillance networks as much as you can avoid them.
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Wife and kids had no problem; they hate people listening to their chats. A couple of slightly paranoid friends came along.
You want to sell it? Tell them all those creepy ads that know too much about them are from Apple/Android chat apps that can listen.
Whenever people start talking about “opsec” and it’s not people doing sensitive work I’m just like “what ops?”
The stuffing recipe is fire
what ops?
sounds like a question a fed would ask 👀
Gotta keep that green bean casserole recipe safe! The world can’t know the secret of a can of cream of mushroom!
Of which no one would know about had they been practicing proper opsec. Point signal.
I use encryption whenever I can not so They can’t see my ops, but so that the encrypted comms of people who actually do need opsec are less suspicious.
Indeed, it makes everyone safer. Especially with all the fascism going around people who are completely innocent of any more genuine wrongdoing could still be kidnapped by Ice based on the color of their skin or because they exercise their free speech rights in ways that in decades past would have been respected. The government has gotten less trustworthy and corporations never really were trustworthy so everyday people have the right to protect themselves
The op of trying to not get your entire family’s conversations sold to the lowest bidder to be exploited for scams, insurance price gouging, “dynamic pricing”, etc… I guess.
Operation: Thanksgiving with Gam Gam
Does it matter what you call it? Is it okay to be spied on and your data collected just because you are not working on anything “sensitive”?
Indirectly it matters because it means you’re regurgitating talking points instead of thinking about the tradeoffs between privacy and keeping your family talking to each other.
It is important for regular people to protect their privacy so that those at risk are among good company. Otherwise, anyone trying to maintain privacy is obvious and suspicious.
Browsing lemmy is my op
Signal? Lmao like i was gonna trust anything from america
Like i told my mum if you’re not sending me gpg-encrypted messages on a bunch of rotating IRC dead drop, we’re not talking
This is an obvious joke yall
Everyone says that until mythos 0days gam gam’s pacemaker
/s in case that wasn’t obvious
hopefully /s
This is not as far fetched as all that
Yeah but it hits dangerously close.
Not as obvious as you might think, it would seem.
Yeah fair
My whole family is on signal. How did I get them there? I didn’t. Didn’t even talk about it. They just popped up, one by one, over the years. Unfortunately we don’t celebrate thanksgiving :(
You are so lucky.
Never too late for a new tradition!
The family wouldn’t be installing Signal, a secure messaging app. They would be installing “that app I only use to talk to that one idiot”.
No it is that app where I get my pictures of the grand kids.
Best way to move my family. Want pictures? Move.
Tough instead of being a dick about it i offered to set it up, show em how it’s used and explained in detail, why i think it is bad to use American companies that are transphobe ands support fashism.
So far, most have at least got it installed and are using signal to communicate with me.
I’ve lived in several authoritarian countries in which surveillance was constant and intense. I told my family and friends many years ago that I was using Signal and they could find me there. It’s literally the signature of my email. Then I proceeded to slow walk all personal non-Signal communications. I’ve found that starting various friend and family groups really helps people get immersed in the app. So does encouraging group video calls to hang out online.
For many years now I’ve had my entire family as well as dozens of friends on Signal. It’s not a quick process, but it can be done.
Even for professionals like lawyers, accountants, tradespeople, real estate agents, whatever. They’re all on Signal if they want to work with me.
Everyone can choose not to use the app. No guilt trips from me. I just use Signal daily, so if someone wants to finds me quickly, they always have the option to do so.
Surprising, my family refuses to download even Signal. Says “it’s for paranoids”.
This is why I use session instead of
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Exactly what I said to my mum after the first grandkid was born.
The rest of the family followed relatively quickly. Family chat group has been going fire more than 10 years now.
Same for any other sensitive info
You want me to help me with your finances? Passwords? Literally anything that can be used against us? Move your ass to Signal or you can find out yourself gam gam. Not like I won’t show you the very few and very incredibly simple steps to get started…
Given how it’s downright unsafe to use these apps now although social pressure is recommended. If they want their grandkids pictures so bad they’ll figure it out or go without, you’re just trying to protect you and your family. You shouldn’t feel like you need to compromise that for people who don’t know any better or don’t care
My daughter is this way. I just don’t use it and she forwards them to me anyways. There are limits.
Which they download via Signal to forward it to WhatsApp/Facebook etc… They think you are making things complicated: “This is so silly. Why not just post it to Facebook right away. Now I have to do all the work!”
Yeah i had this recently in an ‘everyone needs to move off whatsapp’ topic. It just isnt practical and I would be commiting social suicide if I told everyone they could only talk to me on signal and uninstalled whatsapp.
committing social suicide
It’s often worth the price.
Best option so far.
I was talking about something similar the other day, about people who “don’t read sms”, and I absolutely don’t get it. This (Gam Gam) is the same: how the fuck do you manage to use Whatsapp, or any other messaging app, and not another? They’re essentially the same! Apart from not having the old chat history, there’s no difference! It’s just mental laziness, IMO.
You’re speaking like someone who doesn’t have elderly relatives…
The brain’s ability to adapt decreases with age, to the point where it becomes very difficult to teach an elderly person anything new, and eventually even for them to remember or be shown how to do the things they’ve done for years but have now forgotten. It’s very frustrating for everyone involved, and expecting them to adapt is expecting them to do something they simply can not do.
Okay, how does this explain the Boomers and up who seem to only be capable of using Facebook?
Like, if it’s about adaptation, they had email and SMS long before Meta started their “clean” version of MySpace that has gotten so much worse than what it replaced.
I’m stuck with a yearly Christmas card from a lot of older relatives because they can’t manage to step back an use services they did use before the big tech algorithmic fuckery took over.
They sunk their time and effort into something that offered intuitive ease of use and photos they wanted beyond occasional messages. To just sit on an iPad and tap it like a rat hitting the feeder bar in a laboratory takes very little additional effort to learn. Scroll until you dopamine centers light up, tap for more, tap all red notifications. It’s easier than using email or WhatsApp or Signal because they’re using it like a steam of consciousness.
If you ask Granny on FB to fine a direct message from a month ago, it’s possible that’s too challenging a task because it’s not right there.
There’s dementia and then there’s a lifetime of intellectual laziness and incuriousness. My great grandfather and his brother lived into their 90s and coped with the changing world just fine. My grandparents are getting up there and they’re still sharp-witted and active and aren’t afraid of new technology. Many people aren’t lucky and lose their faculties through no fault of their own but complacency is like giving up on your future.
except they’re not the same. at all. one comes with the phone she got from the walmart with a prepaid card and she’s not even really logged into it.
Gam gam survived the depression.
Someone who is 92 in 2026 was born about 1934. The Great Depression persisted (in the U.S. at least) until about 1940. So she definitely survived some early childhood years during the Depression.
But goddamn are we getting close to the point where the surviving elders are way way more likely to not have been around during the Depression than to have been.
Can’t fault their logic tbf
Yeah, gotta keep the government from listening in on the Thanksgiving plans. 🙄
Exactly. I just know they’re going to use my love of turkey against me somehow.
It isn’t the government. It is your employer using third party info to get out of paying you unemployment because you were fired for “cause” they invented and backed up with statements you made in a private chat.
When has that happened. And if it has was it a phone with company management software on it.
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