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American libertarianism is incoherent. They’re just Republicans who don’t go to church and smoke dope.
American libertarianism is interely coherent. Religious nutjobs and large business owners want state power to go away because churches and corporations will gain that power.
I’d say there’s a difference in the libertarianism of the charlatans and their marks. One is simply a facade for technocratic fascism, the other is an incoherent fantasy that thinks capitalism will create a utopia if we just stop regulating it.
Orchids feed on a micorrhizal fungus, which grows on the bark of certain trees. While it might be considered symbiotic, the orchid requires the trees it grows on to produce the fungus. The tree stays healthier due to orchids, however the orchids have no function nor biological reason or initiative to limit the growth of the fungus. The more fungus that can thrive within the tree will be beneficial to the orchids. Because of this dynamic the eventual death of the tree, due to the fungus that feeds the orchids, will allow the orchids to thrive to the point of propagation, spreading their seeds in the soil to reach the surrounding trees, which have a high probability of having the required fungus for them to feed. And this the process of death and rebirth continues from tree to tree, but the same line of orchids continue by jumping from corpse to corpse.
This comment is not about orchids.
Is there another kind?
Yes, and we call ourselves Anarchists or left libertarians because the right specifically and intentionally stole that term
Exactly this. And even when I do use the term libertarian. I make sure to express little l versus Big L Libertarianism explicitly. Big L Libertarianism is simply a noun randomly applied to something. And doesn’t mean anything more than the people in charge want it to mean. Like big C Communism versus little c communism. Totally different things.
Hell the man who coined the term and defined libertarianism. Explicitly fought against most of the type who profess to be big L Libertarians today.
and we support not voting and the system collapses, so republicans get elected
Wait.
That’s simply not true. I’m not a large, and therefore don’t pretend to live in a system I don’t. This is the system that I live in, and I have to do everything possible to reduce harm to others, which includes voting. Maybe try educating yourself?
Used to be. Now the only halfway decent libertarians label themselves anarchists.
Yeah. All jokes aside but USian Libertarians are different to, for example, European Libertarians.
Being “socially liberal” has different parameters outside the US.
I’ve spoken to many libertarians and I place them all in one of two categories.
A) they want slaves
B) they want child brides.
If you talk to anyone one of them long enough you reach a point where it’s like “people could sell themselves into slavery” or “age of consent is really a social myth the person should decide if they are ready”
don’t forget racists who want to smoke weed legally
That’s a subcategory of A
It’s all worth it when you find the occasional confused mutualist
I prefer to call them anarcho-capitalists, the actual worst political philosophy out there in terms of long term consequences.
There’s nothing anarchic about supporting a system which is based upon hierarchy.
Aw, you made me feel bad for ancap now, poor ball came out like its abusive father :(
Can you explain who that father is in the last panel? I’m too dumb to get it. Thanks!
That symbol in the black ball are roman fasces, which is where the term “fascism” comes from. I think you can infer what that means for the comic.
Fascism. That’s the sigil of the Italian fascist party, and their paramilitary were known as the Blackshirts, hence the black.
Hey, it’s not just an Italian symbol!
I never said it was a self-consistent philosophy, in fact that’s a large part of why it’s so awful.
I got banned from r/libertarian where the mod claimed that I broke a rule and I did not lol
Oi, some of us are closet anarcho-socialists; but yeah.
I guess they changed the definition.
did you add that mustache or have i just never paid attention before
I didn’t just downloaded the format from web search which sourced from Reddit i think. Then added the text
maybe i’m just thinking about mustaches because of the reflecting pool dude. all snively whiplash and shit
Many such cases!
Genuine question, what are the purported differences? Are there any?
Only talking about right wing libertarians because they’re who this meme is clearly about, and left libertarians have very little in common with fascists.
Theoretically libertarians support individual freedoms including in the face of social and religious institutions. Their platonic ideal would support women’s and queer liberation, personally oppose racism (but would support every individual’s right to be bigoted). They’d be in favor of the right to use drugs. They’d oppose religious power. They’d believe minorities and women should arm ourselves. They’d be pro abortion, transition, and whatever else you want to do to your body. But most importantly they’d want the government to stop getting involved in your life, and that would be especially true when talking about cops.
Now, these people are rare these days, and some of these points were always unpopular amongst them. Back in the day they used to talk about wanting a gay married couple to defend their pot farm with guns. But they courted and cooperated with the technocrats, the theocrats, and the rest of the right. They refused to build ties and intellectual conversations with the libertarian left and so they slowly stopped believing in a lot of these things. But most importantly a lot of them are pointless contrarians who don’t want to do intellectual work or analyze their emotions. When their bigotry was challenged they decided they’d rather be bigoted than be free. Also the ideology always was incoherent, but let’s be honest, that’s never stopped an ideology before.
They’re mostly fascists now. And part of me thinks we’re the worse for it, because society does need a strong group of people saying “I don’t have to like it to stand for your right to do it” in order to be free.
Regardless of how it’s explained, there’s a flaw in any libertarian philosophy that still makes this meme true: Not wanting the government to get involved, means as a rule they don’t support laws preventing other people from being discriminated against either, which sadly is proven to be something that needs to be done in human societies with historical inequality. Any theory that ignores the capacity for illogical/inequitable factionalism and cruelty is a fantasy at best, it always leaves a path towards fascism
Thank you very much for the explanation!
Their platonic ideal would support women’s and queer liberation, personally oppose racism (but would support every individual’s right to be bigoted). They’d be in favor of the right to use drugs. They’d oppose religious power. They’d believe minorities and women should arm ourselves.
That is where you are dead wrong. I read libertarian/ancap subreddits now and then, and they are very used to these statements. Their answer is truthful: they support freedom, not progressivism. In other words, they opposed to the authority of a central state. They don’t care if individuals or private organizations want exclude certain people. They very much think that excluding certain races, women or LGBT from their shops or organizations is a libertarian virtue. More so, many libertarians are extremely traditionalist, religious people who want the state to go away so they are free to form communities base their own insane ideas.
Big L Libertarians are self-centered. Their praxis hinges on belief in their short term benefit. When left isolated to their own devices they flail and self destruct. The problem is they generally fangirl for fascists as long as the fascist doesn’t specifically target them.
I thought Libertarians is just a porn category…
That’s librarians and they totally fuck.
moans loudly during sex with librarian; gets shushed
I’m so hard.
I just see them as landlords that think people still see them as the broke dope smoking hippie they were in the 60s.
Nah, they were never like that. I recommend this blog, Fardel’s Bear/Altright origins, that has been running since 2017. Adherents of libertarianism has ALWAYS been racist and misogynist, and even tries to retcon its own history as progressive.
Also works with anarchists, liberals, and any other ideology that falls for or pushes empire propaganda on AES countries
Off topic: I’m working on a recipe for a sort of function/party-thing. You see, I’m having a hard time deciding whether to use vegetable tanned or chromium tanned. You seem like the kind of person that would have a good idea idea about how boot leather tastes. Which one would be better for a bunch of statists who either love being ruled by others have delusions that they’re the ones who would rule others? Anything you can offer would help. Thanks.
Not everyone has what it takes to be a hypocrite simp for the state. Some can, non anarchist obviously. It’s just hilarious how you project just like the Liberals you hate that everyone else is the problem but you. Or that you know better than everyone else. Or that you aren’t subject to propaganda just like everybody else. I’d say it was cute if it wasn’t so toxic.
