Jesus Christ, she’s 40% thigh in that first one.
Somebody just wants to see Supergirl crush a watermelon with her legs.
I wouldn’t walk out of the theater if it happened.
FIFY
“crush the bad guys head like a watermelon with her legs”
I’ve only ever known Supergirl to have a full suit like Kal-El, or a skirt with thigh-highs.
Don’t mistake Supergirl with her Project Cadmus clone; Powergirl, with huge tits, boob window, and completely bare legs.
Supergirl isn’t a manufactured object in the comics, so she doesn’t look like one.
yea, im getting way more Power Girl vibes with the first outfit (barring the colours)!
Basically. Turn the S logo into a cleavage window and it’s Powergirl.
This was a whole plot point of season one of The Boys in which Vought International forces Starlight to wear a skimpier costume (this after she was already sexually assaulted by The Deep).
Reality imitates art, I guess.
I mean, the boys was meant as biting social commentary so not sure where we are in the cart/horse equation here.
It’s nutpicking, to a degree. The odds of finding someone who wants to fuck the cartoons approaches 1.0 lightning fast on the internet. I’m less disgusted with the guy whining about an uninspiring upskirt shot (literally, why even shoot that frame? You could just not point the camera there!) I’m more disgusted with the AI Slop in the first panel, where they’ve replaced Kara Zor-El’s legs with the Hulk’s for some reason.
That guy’s stuff is always really on the nose. Watch ‘preacher’, his previous adapted-for-tv work. Its about American Christianity, conservative politics, and their conspiracies. Blunt, crass, pointlessly violent, politically kind of inchoate beyond the negative ‘this is all dumb Nazi shit’ but said amusingly ever so often. Eugenics Jesus was a pretty good gag about american myth and Nazi racial mythology.
I read the Preacher comic and… I gotta say, it falls off fast after the first couple of chapters. The mature-ish grotesquerie made to deliver context early on devolves into pure juvenille banging-my-action-figures-together by the end.
Eugenics Jesus was a pretty good gag about american myth and Nazi racial mythology.
I enjoyed “What if the Catholic Church tried to Hapsburg Family the Desposyni” as a concept. The execution was crass and fell flat. They could have had a legitimately interesting story arc introducing a severely disabled Jesus descendant capable of the odd miracle who the straight white male able-bodied main character could engage with. But it was more fun to make poop jokes and then splatter them in the punchline panel.
Only saw the tv, but the concept is almost exactly how the Nazis conceptualized the whole ‘master race’ thing,in addition to megahapsburg.
And the idea of breeding jesuses is pretty funny. But yes it did all kind of devolve to that.
And the idea of breeding jesuses is pretty funny.
It’s a great setup for a long running joke. One reason why Garth Ennis is so obnoxious. He loves to squander a good premise on a cheap punchline.
I’ll agree to the left one, but only if we make superman wear the same costume. And we go back to Cavill.
Ohoho, I think we can all agree on that, no matter the orientation.
i like it when my pornography creeps up in non-porn places, but that’s because my crippling addiction to porn has made porn boring
recently i even jerked off to a rubik’s cube because it was the least porn thing i could think of
that slutty-ass cube
porn addiction is just a symptom of serotonin deficiency
Who is Sarah and where are the videos of her toning her body
No, not that kind of toning. Sara’s toning the fish in the sea.
Ah, atoning for her fins.
serotonin defiiciency
Meh.
Your brain just reflects life.
A porn addiction more likely means you’re lacking rewarding activities in your life and/or you’re avoiding thinking about by jerking it.
And FWIW the whole serotonin theory of depression is demonstrably bunk.
we’re saying the same thing: understimulated reward centre. and i never mentioned depression.
The implication of the way you said it is that there an underlying chemical/biological cause that could be addressed with a chemical/biological solution; I don’t think the arrow of causality points in that direction.
“the implication of the way you said it” is gold, i’m stealing that
And just two days ago someone responded to my comment with, “No offense, but were you on drugs when you wrote that?”
i mean that’s also applicable
I’ve been looking into this and your advice seems very sound
Today I learned and now I will be googling
Hehe, ass-cube
Those are some nice ass-cubes.
Nothing wrong with mixing it up a little
Underrated cube pun
Your p*rnography*, you f*cking p*rvert.
C*nsorship is my kink.
🤤 redact this ****
****** to **** until *** *******
Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that.
Say goodbye to these!
Me too fella!
Rubik’s cubes tease so much. All I want to do is click it in all the right places. But that smooth little box edges me for days never letting me cum to completion.
I have yet to finish, been gooning the cube for decades. When I finally slide that last square into place, I’m going to bust so fucking hard.
Why is the word porn censored?
Because we normalized self-censorship to make it more palatable to everyone. Which is stupid.
Its called algospeak and it’s one of the most retarded fucking things ever.
Its the first time I’ve ever thought that the children are infact doomed and retarded.
Make it more palatable to advertisers
Fuck advertisers.
F*ck self-censorship.
Irony doesn’t make it better. Every self-censor is trying to use irony.
It absolutely does, and not every s¹lf-c¹nsorship is doing that.
¹the devil’s letter
‘Everyone’ being violent prudes who worship at rge altars of Comstock and McCarthy.
People who work in industries like porn, people whose existence is often censored, and people who identify/sympathize with obscenity because their existence is regarded as obscenity do not count. Fuck them. They’re all trash.
Because most of the people on Lemmy are refugees from reddit and nowadays on reddit, if you are not a porn focused sub then they require you to censor every damn thing or face getting banned from that particular subreddit, getting banned from several subreddits depending on who’s modding and how many subs they are modding and how fucking stupid their bots happen to be, or getting banned from the entire site by the admins on their particular whim for that day/week.
Lemmy is not Reddit.
Yes, that’s the point.
Someone else already answered the why. What I think the best reaction is when you see this kind of bullshit censorship is just down vote it.
Didn’t supergirl aways wear a skirt?
I mean, I’m as much of a gooner as the next guy but if you don’t think the one on the right is hot that’s a you problem.
yeah, the left one looks terrible
It’s not even a horny thing, but the one on the left is just too distracting. I’d be staring at it the whole time just trying to figure out why Supergirl made that choice.
Her thighs would always be cold. Any major combat movement is going to make her bits show. It looks like she literally cut her shorts into that shape.
Like… I like attractive women too, but come on, guys. There’s no way in hell she’d wear her costume like that. I’d just be annoyed by it the whole time.
Same. I’m a gooner. But I like building into the fantasy. I like the role play starting with “Ooh, I’m a tough mage overestimating herself, here I go in this dungeon” - but starting that mage out in nothing but a thong pulls me out.
Write situations where it makes sense to briefly see someone in their underwear, I won’t deny being satisfied. But you’d have to write. People still need regular clothes
She wouldn’t care about the cold, she can survive without discomfort in the vacuum of space or in a house fire.
I mean, realistically her and Superman’s clothes should rip off within milliseconds of them doing 99% of the things they end up doing.
I’m half remembering a scene from I think one of the justice league movies where they explain that Superman’s invulnerability field extends like a millimeter from his skin, mostly protecting his clothes. Something about his powers being based around a telekinetic field projection that, for example, lets him hold entire buildings by a single corner without them crumbling into bricks.
And I’d watch that. It would be much more fun to watch. It would be a good scene. It would highlight the whole ‘world of cardboard’ thing, and be kinda hot, and set up dramatic or comedic payoffs later.
You don’t even have to do anything nsfw to play with the concept. Burning the pants off one leg or superman’s shirt would get the point across if they wanted to. They do not.
Any major combat movement is going to make her bits show.
Hence distracting the villains and gaining tactical advantage!
Would her thighs not be cold with the one on the right??
Any major combat movement is going to make her bits show.
She is an alien, so maybe she doesn’t have bits like humans.
There’s probably a good opportunity for a more detailed discussion on sexuality in media here.
Several things are true. One, I think most commenters agree the guy posting this is likely a sex-obsessed misogynist. Two, some people do get uncomfortable, or lose immersion in media, based on certain costume designs. Three, some people would like to see more sexualization/attractive characters in media for their own enjoyment, and in certain contexts that’s not always a harmful thing to ask for.
It’s also made trickier because for groups both for/against sexualization of various forms, they’re often shy about discussing it. It’s a subject that leads to fast accusations of censorship, prudishness, or misogynistic deviancy or gender hatred.
Still, I do think there’s better balances to achieve by allowing a bit more communication. Wonder if this makes sense as a YouTube video or just a more open-ended thread question starting with a poll.
I mean this is all tied up in the whole “art as a product” issue. My instincts with anything creative are always to let people create what they want, and let critics think and say anything about it. Whenever there’s interference in that process, I think we lose a lot of the point of the thing.
To make it more about policy, I think funding for the arts should be several orders of magnitude higher, and there should be no taste regulations placed on what kinds of subject matter can be funded (obviously no hate speech or anything illegal). That way there would surely be enough horny and tasteful art for everyone to feel however they want about it.
It’s not the first subject where I’ve heard that sentiment, the other big one being difficulty in video games. But it’s pretty disingenuous, since most great media authors I know seek some level of feedback on their creation, and adjust based on how people have perceived it because some part of their work isn’t quite coming across how they’d hope. Valve famously does oodles of QA testing on all their properties.
The question isn’t just between “Is providing attractive characters good/bad”. It can also be more nuanced, like “I want to make this character really attractive, but some people feel soured by the designs I’ve given where she has a bikini. Is there some way to design her that’s still really visually appealing, in a slightly sexual way, but also feels enjoyable to people who view her more as a role model?”
A great example of that nuance was in the “Tracer victory pose debacle” in Overwatch. Tracer had a victory pose that was just her, facing away, shoving her butt out. Someone commented that it felt off-kilter for her personality, and Blizzard ended up replacing it with another one. A censorship crowd wailed on the occasion, but when comparing the two poses, there’s a more reasonable take there; the ass-centric pose didn’t fit the character much, and the new one was both cute and still managed to show off her slender legs while also fitting the “pilot” theme. It also helps that media of that type has a lot of character designs on offer, so it might just be a matter of hitting more archetypes correctly, instead of everything leaning in the direction of “big booba no clotha”.
I definitely don’t want to open the topic of difficulty in games right now, enough ink has been spilled and hardly anybody ever changed their minds.
I do want to point out that an ongoing conversation with your audience is an optional part of the creative process - and one you’d expect to see normalized when art is mainly treated as a product. My view is that the value of art is lessened when that’s taken for granted. It can be really interesting when a writer’s relationship with their readers causes a story to go someplace unexpected. But some creators are jealous of their vision, and couldn’t bear to take such candid feedback in the middle of their creative. It’s easy to see both sides of that coin, I just wish people could be free to make their choices without thinking too much about the coin.
Yeah, I’m fine with leaving the difficulty subject alone; as you said, it becomes pretty polarizing.
What you describe about a more individual, self-owned experience is often what makes novels/writing so compelling to people, since they generally come from one crazy mind, undoctored. Even then, you might be surprised how many different professional editing roles tend to go into a very refined book.
Movies and games tend to involve an order of magnitude more people, not all of them holding the title of “Game Designer” but all having a very important form of input to the end product, both for effort and for decisionmaking. If the studio’s lawyer takes a look at a virtual vending machine’s set of drinks and says “No, change those two, they run a risk of lawsuits from Pepsi”, is that “outside censorship”, or does the lawyer count as “part of the studio” because he’s at the same risk of publisher layoff as everyone else?
The hazy answers to that question, in my mind, are part of the reasons I don’t find the “Author vision, unfiltered” argument so compelling, especially as games involve larger studios. I think you’re right at least that it does create something more unique when a smaller, talented team is given reigns, eg Half-Life 2 or Expedition 33.
With big projects it’s definitely not a single person’s pure vision, but for me the important difference is between letting the creative be dictated by people’s ideas versus designing around what the suits think will sell (or avoid lawsuits, or other uninteresting choices). And for me it’s all about interesting choices - I could care less if something was done perfectly, if the idea itself is boring. What excites me about any art is always the thinking behind creative choices, which are a lot harder to spot when there’s a lot of ulterior motives affecting the creative. I keep circling around an apprehension that all art is the study of choice, and the choice to sell well is always the most boring of impulses.
I don’t understand the adolescent need for every female character to be fuckable.
Consider the absolute meltdown over the new God of War game. It’s to the point where some loser made an AI slop game where the character does laundry, gives birth, etc… because they’re so buttmad that every game isn’t Stellar Blade.
This isn’t a power girl movie and the actress playing supergirl is nowhere near buxom enough to play her even if it were one. Supergirl’s outfit has never looked like the left.
In much of her history, she’s also quite young. Young enough to live in an orphanage in the golden age before getting foster/adoptive parents. Sometimes she’s an adult in the 20-24ish range. But it seems like every time the canon gets reset for her she’s canonically 16 again. And as such she’s almost always dressed pretty reasonably by Superheroine standards.
She almost always wears a skirt and briefs, if not shorts, tights, pants or full legged unitard. Don’t know that she has ever been depicted as particularly busty.
In fact, it is a running gag that her Earth 2 counterpart, Powergirl, is famously quite busty and confident his her body (boob window and all), particularly in comparison to Supergirl.
For comparison sake:
Supergirls depiction here is more sexualised than the left example in the OP imo
Lol I was about to say, that’s “pretty reasonably” dressed"?
“By superheroine standards” is the key here. Going by how they’re often depicted, I would say this could qualify as “pretty reasonable”.
Her shoulders are covered?
I’ll never forget the boob window is there to help deal with the boob sweat.
I mean there’s logic there but it’s funny none the less.
That’s not where my boobs tend to be sweaty. I’d put the window under them for that
We can, at least, identify her exactly in the film, as she celebrates her 23rd birthday
What we want: henry cavill in the exact outfit on the left
What we got: henry cavill in the normal superman outfit
Not pictured: an AI rendering of the above, because do we really need to spend resources on that?
May I have Henry Cavilll in the outfit on right too?
“Yes, we must acceleray the atmospheric cooking of the planet to make an uncanny valley rendition of a meme we have already clearly explained with words that maybe a dozen people will see and exhale out their nose breifly at” - too many people, for some reason
I know a dozen fanfic artists who have already drawn it or similar imagery for free
Left hand image doesn’t even look like her usual costume so where tf did he get that idea from
There’s probably something from the 90s/early 00s with her dressed like that. Comics were really ramping it up for a while there. Not that teenager me was complaining.
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This is my exact stance. I want my porn separate from my non-porn.
People that just have badonkulous jiggle physics blasting while they play a normal game baffle me.
I’m like this about food.
I like my candy and food to be separate. All this candy-masquerading-as-food, like sweetened yogurt and cranberry sauce, can get bent.
If your cranberry sauce is that sweet it has too much sugar in it. It should be sharp and sexy, not sweet and not-as-sexy-yet-more-conventially-appealing
I’ve been waiting all my life for someone to put this into words.
Slimegirl enthusiast over here
Slimes are sexy! Justice for slimes!
I get you but also I feel like this is an unrealized pushback to just how sanitized a lot of mainstream culture has become. I feel like a lot of media up until about the 2010s give or take had a lot of sexual elements without being porn outright and while not necessarily being erotic, it really does feel like a weird bit of cultural puritanism especially given how hot a lot of actors are.
In summary a lot of things are hot but basically nothing is sexy and it’s weird.
My issue with “porn in nonporn” is it almost always feels objectifying. Like the gooner Supergirl in the OP image: if her character liked the look of a battlethong and owned it, then that’s fine. It might even factor into the story. But if she just looks like that and acts like things are normal, then it’s like she is being sexed up solely for some nondiegetic viewer. It gives me the same sort of voyeuristic ick as invisible people peeping in locker rooms or perverts abusing X-Ray glasses.
I don’t mind Skinemax; like softcore porn is fine. Because everyone understands the assignment.
Yeah I think there’s this huge gap between the image on the left and say the way the parents acted in Malcolm in the Middle. The former is sexually suggestive in a sterile way. It’s like if your accountant was working in their underwear. The latter is sexual without being sexy. It’s a married couple who has a major character trait of trying to fit some boinking into any gap in the schedule they can. It doesn’t try to titilate the viewer, but instead just depicts sex as a normal part of adult life.
I’m not saying one shouldn’t have sexy characters, but when it’s emphasized the sexy should always serve the character. None of this “she breathes through her skin” nonsense. No you want a superhero in a blatantly sexual outfit, then tell us about how they’re insecure and showing skin to deal with it, or that they’re using sexuality to cope with the stress and difficulties of their job, or even just that they really like feeling hot. Have them acknowledge the sex behind the sexual choices the designers made.
I get what you’re saying and I agree to an extent but even shit like that doesn’t really exist anymore. Like I said it feels like something over corrected when moving away from objectification and right into puritanism. I don’t quite have the verbage required to quite explain what I mean, it just kinda feels like a lot of media and even culture is outright sex averse in a weird way.
I’d say that is a US-centric concern (and media that expects the US market), maybe even more broadly a Western concern. Japan at least, uh, has not had much of a concern with sexifying…pretty much anything.
Sure but that’s one country. Mind you I’m more or less referring to the anglosphere but I’ve noticed it as a general trend overall, it may also be effecting other western nations as well I’m just not aware on that front. Don’t get me wrong I’m kinda happy the Japanese are so open with that shit but it’s still frustrating when they seem to be the only ones, also localization censorship is still a thing and can get fucked six ways from Sunday.
I can only think of maybe a small handful of positive instances of “porn in nonporn”. For example, Bayonetta as a character is very much aware of her sexiness, and approves of flaunting it. Compare that to something like Stellar Blade, where the Eve is just “accidentally” super hot, with zero self awareness.
I agree, is what I’m saying.
And that makes a huge difference imo. Both are designed to be hot and gazed at, but Bayonetta is at least given watsonian agency. The character is in this way believable, because yeah the people in real life who dress super skimpy in a fashionable way are typically doing so on purpose.
The realistic version of the “hot chick who just happens to be dressing skimpy” would probably be just dressing plainly for hot weather. But it would be a distinct and interesting character design choice to have a major character in a video game just wearing cutoff shorts, a tank top, and practical sandals. That character design feels much more aimed at female players than male ones, and like if in a genre with lots of skimpy outfits would be an intentional rejection of the trope.
It is bloody irritating when there’s anime boobies in my face, while trying to loot my enemies for every resource they have.
