ya something I dont get is why humanity is OK with this ‘opting in’ to getting rid of all other forms of transit JUST to sit in a car and get unhealthy and probably die quicker.
Our ancestors have been walking , running, or riding on animals or walking beside tired animals for thousands upon thousands of years…and …humanity has simply chosen to opt out of our ability to do so without examining the risks that this may pose?I feel that huanity has evolved to walk large distance or rather to expend energy when we go large distances (that includes biking and walking beside our tired animals) . So certainly humanity will be having to face some sort of ‘issue’ cause we have evolved to expend our energy when moving large distances rather than take an automobile , right?
Like humans didnt evolve to survive repeated harsh blows to the head and we see that humans who keep on getting hit in the head from war training, domestic violence, american foot ball , hocckey or soccer have higher rates of being diagnosed with ALS and CTE.
Humans also didnt evolve to live in such SUPER-individualiistic societies annd thats why so many people’s mental healths are failing them and we have increased deaths of despair . In fact the countries with the lowest population desnsities and with lower allocation of resources to mental health care have the highest suicide rates
Humans also didnt evolve to take in large amounts of junk food but then not do cardiovascular exercise at all. Thats why heart diseases are the leading killer of people globally.
There’s no ‘cost’ for us giving up walking? Certainly there muust be something. I guess increased severity and instances of heart diseases is one of those costs
They can’t even stop you from biking for booze touring. Revoke your licence? Lol OK.
Have been seen seeing a LOT of e-scooter and e-bikes around lately. The e-bikes are classified as power assisted bicycles so no license or insurance is required in most states.
Yeah, they’re popping up there, too, even though there are harsher regulations in place here
I just don’t think children should be using them and I think anyone whose uses them should be wearing a helmet. I think law enforcement should ask people to dismount their escooter or ebike if they’re not wearing a helmet and issue warnings or citations. I’m not usually in favor of making rules and stuff but it’s just like, we got one thing to protect our skulls if we’re on things that can go 28mph which is fucking fast and requires time to slow down then, maybe making the helmet mandatory isn’t bad.
Lol what? Loads of kids cycle to school here and have done for longer than most people have had cars.
I meant the ebikes or ecycles but I guess tiems have changed. Back when I was a kid we didn’t have ebikes only the pedal bikes. Those aren’t any safer, I guess I’m just not with the times.
Yeah no one had an ebike when I went to school either. We all used pedal bikes.
E-bikes can go much faster, though. Kids on pedal bikes are inherently speed limited.
Actually, bikes really are far left and a tool for liberty. They were especially significant in the US movements for feminism and women’s suffrage, as bicycles allowed women to scootle around on their own, where before they were restricted by access to horses and male escort. (Yes, I used the verb to scootle.)
Also bicycles encouraged women’s fashion to allow for pants, which were utilitarian for bicycling sooner than they were for equestrian riding.
(Bicycles also encouraged the paving of roads before automobiles dominated them.)
Many opponents to women’s suffrage (to women’s rights and women’s autonomy) also opposed bicycles. Including the Roman Catholic Church. The Holy See asserted that bicycles, especially tandem bikes, were an instrument of the devil.
So bikes are Satan-approved!
Some recent useful videos (on YouTube):
Rebecca Watson’s take after SoT Sean Duffy decided bike lanes are woke
The Bicycle Episode of Climate Town with help from Not Just BikesRiding the instrument of the devil! Fuck yeah!
Also this video by J. Draper about cycling and feminism
that is crazy
I support fuckcars and njb in general but they really do be sounding like that
njb? sorry noobie here.
Not just bikes, I’m guessing.
And biking is good for your health
ya something I dont get is why humanity is OK with this ‘opting in’ to getting rid of all other forms of transit JUST to sit in a car and get unhealthy and probably die quicker.
Our ancestors have been walking , running, or riding on animals or walking beside tired animals for thousands upon thousands of years…and …humanity has simply chosen to opt out of our ability to do so without examining the risks that this may pose?I feel that huanity has evolved to walk large distance or rather to expend energy when we go large distances (that includes biking and walking beside our tired animals) . So certainly humanity will be having to face some sort of ‘issue’ cause we have evolved to expend our energy when moving large distances rather than take an automobile , right?
Like humans didnt evolve to survive repeated harsh blows to the head and we see that humans who keep on getting hit in the head from war training, or foot ball or hocckey or soccer have higher rates of being diagnosed with ALS and CTE.
Humans also didnt evolve to live in such SUPER-individualiistic societies annd thats why so many people’s mental healths are failing them and we have increased deaths of despair . In fact the countries with the lowest population desnsities and with lower allocation of resources to mental health care have the highest suicide rates
Humans also didnt evolve to take in large amounts of junk food but then not do cardiovascular exercise at all. Thats why heart diseases are the leading killer of people globally.
There’s no ‘cost’ for us giving up walking? Certainly there muust be something. I guess heart diseases is one of those costs
The woke left want to take away your traditional transportation! Trains are our heritage and what made our country so great! Trains burn big beautiful clean coal, some say the cleanest.
Im sorry no, fuck these fucking brain dead morons.
I have less than 0 desire to learn their idiot vernacular to try to convince them of anything.
Just ask them to do a simple algebra problem in their head, and then spell the word procrastinate.
If they cannot do that, just tell them they are too stupid to make decisions, sit down, shut the fuck up, we’re gonna do this other thing now, and it doesn’t matter if you’re too dumb to understand what that means.
… how many of them are closeted gays and cucks?
They want to be dominated, so just dominate them. They only understand and respect force, so be forceful.
Gee I wonder why we keep fucking losing?
Pushing the benefits of something and focusing on the benefits that the target audience actually care about is usually a good way to get them on board with your idea.
Or you can just tell the primarily fear motivated idiots to be afraid of things, and then their brains stop working, they just don’t like the scary thing and want scary thing to suffer because scary thing is bad.
You can’t win an argument with an idiot; they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Remember the whole… they go low, we go high, rhetoric?
Assanine. Literally an in-group signalling feel good hugbox measure, doesn’t actually work at all on the out group. Vanity and smugness as a strategy, a strategy that repeatedly fails in a political system that is rigged to over represent the local yokel ya’ll qaeda types, and is rigged to disenfranchise the working poor and minority groups of all kinds.
You think that you’re playing an unrigged game, for some reason, maybe because thats a comforting thing to hold onto, that democracy is inevitable and rules and norms are just and eternal, because they seem nice and fair to you.
Well guess what?
We got 1/3 of the country that effectively gets 1/2 the voting power.
The game isn’t fair, the rules are always changing, and this 1/3 of people would and literally has willingly voted to destroy democracy itself and replace it with tyranny.
You gotta change the rules you are willing to play by… if the real game is how you rig the apparent game, you need to think outside your comfort zone, or just admit defeat right now.
Because you keep conceeding to idiot racists and petty narcissist tyrants who don’t even believe in democracy whom you will never be able to meaningfully convince of anything anyway.
I’m from these dumb fuck regressives.
I know what I’m talking about.
You speak to them with insults, violence and threats, just barely polite enough to not immediately incite them to assault you on the spot, otherwise, they do not listen.
We keep losing because the 1/3rd of this country that the entire political system is rigged to over represent will always default to being dumbfuck greedy idiots.
You can’t convince them of anything consciously because they are the world grand masters at cognitive dissonance and delusion. They are too stupid to formulate a coherent worldview, you will not be able to change their worldview without making their lizard brain activate.
You can spend 10x the effort of explaining things to them like theyre a baby, it’ll stick for a day, then they’ll hear a shiboleth style conservative ‘joke’, a cultic thought stopping cliche, and that understanding you imparted them with immediately evaporates.
I repeat, they are literally too stupid to actually have a coherent worldview.
The Republicans know this.
Its why they consistently do racist/socialist/lqbtq scaremongering, and it consistently works.
They literally have enlarged amygdalas, the fear processing center of the brain.
They literally only truly understand fear.
I want to disagree with this but I can’t. Conservatives genuinely react so well to being bullied and talked down to. It’s apparently what they want 🤷
Trust me I wish I was wrong.
Tried for 2 decades to do the reasoning thing.
It doesn’t matter, it doesn’t work.
They don’t argue in good faith, because most of them literally are not capable of arguing in good faith.
You make them your bitch, and force or trick them to realize your way is better for both you and them.
Yeah…it’s sad but if you want results, you have to play the “who has the bigger peepee” game.
Yep, its pretty much that stupid.
But… if its stupid… and it works…
… it isn’t stupid.
Playing chess with a pigeon and getting mad that it isn’t playing by the rules and then flaps over the pieces?
You’re the fool.
Just get some bird seed and also a broom, apply positive and negative reinforcement toward the desired result.
You can dislike them all you want but, like it or not, they get to vote the same as you. You can choose to be angry or you can meet them where they’re at and have a chance to inspire the change you want to see. Your choice
I’ll meet them where they’re at and tell them they’re a fucking moron.
I also don’t get to vote, because of them, so maybe stop pretending this is a fair fight.
There’s a difference between capitulation and talking to them using language they understand.
I’m as ready to go nuclear as you are, but until most others see it that way, this is where we’re at.
Most others do see it this way.
They just got you convinced you’re outnumbered.
You’re not.
They just own the media, the social media, and only ever get better and better at determining who does and doesn’t get to vote.
No point in conceeding shit to bullies, they’ll just keep bullying you.
Some real I am 12 and know everything vibes here.
You got the life experience of a 12 yo if you think being reasonable to a diehard conservative will have any effect on them other than making them internally chuckle that you’re trying to take them seriously, in good faith.
And you think posturing as a steamroller is going to be any better? People will hand wave you away if all you’ve got is aggression. You’re full of hot air and all that does is delegitimize you in a debate.
You’re not entirely wrong, you’re just an asshole about it. Even if I agreed with you fully I’d still want to avoid you.
You fundamentally don’t get it.
Being an asshole about it is the tactic that works.
You’d want to avoid me just like you’d want to avoid the assholes this would work on, because you’re not like them, and you don’t like them.
You can’t reason with everyone. That tactic, reasoning, doesn’t work on or with everyone. Some people just do need to be rhetorically slapped around, all pathos and ethos, because logos has no real effect on them.
People like you would hand wave away a brash boistrous blustering bloviation of bullshit.
People like them, that’s the real language that speaks to them, the only thing that makes an impact on not their conscious thoughts, but their subconscious that gives rise to those conscious thoughts.
Stop acting as if everyone else is like you.
The whole point here is what tactic convinces people that are not like you and cannot be convinced by reason? That that tactic wouldn’t work on you is irrelevant. Get over yourself.
yep. learning their diction and rhetorics works wonders!
Now Let’s get these traditional means of transportation going!Rephrasing ideas to avoid buzzwords will get you far in Yankee discourse.
yar darn tootin!
Very interesting perspective.
Interesting, considering (motorized) public transit is not that old, and bikes are even newer (cca 80 and 20 years prior to the automobile, respectively, depending on location)
IIRC Paris had horse-drawn omnibuses back in the 1600’s, but then they were banned by the aristocracy.
Yeah but public transit was a lot more affordable for most people for a long time. It was pretty recently that it became normal for most people to own a car.
I think you missed the part where they are lying to the conservatives to get them on board with things that are actively good for them
Reframing a topic in verbiage that’s amenable to your audience isn’t lying, it’s just not being a moron who knows how to talk to people.
I wouldn’t call it lying. The traditional means of transportation is walking, people have been doing it for thousands of years.
Unfortunately, conservatives are known to claim that things that have been happening for thousands of years are actually new
I know people do that and while this reframing is not exactly a lie, it’s interesting it works even when they are lumping walking (Homo erectus) and buses, trains, trams and presumably bikes (all 19ᵗʰ century) while excluding cars (basically early 20ᵗʰ century)
Is every tradition from before agriculture? “Traditional” doesn’t mean “from the time before homo sapiens.”
If all transport was bikes, trains and trams - you most likely still can get everywhere by foot. If all transport was cars - not neccessarily; is what I think is the main thing that separates it from straight up deception
interested but skeptical.
Broke: biking is unsafe
Woke: biking doesn’t require government issued privledge
Bespoke: Biking gives you a fat ass and chiseled calves
Yep, my wife loves that I’m a cyclist for that reason
I’m going to need a source on the fat ass part. I cycled for years when I was younger and I certainly have glutes of steel, but they’re not big. I do however find myself very much attracted to a big ass on the opposite sex so if that’s true in any way shape or form, I should start cycling to meet more women who cycle perhaps lol
My ass has fattened up since I started bike commuting is my only source, so grain of salt I suppose
Another major bonus is the fact that it only takes about a weekend of study to learn how to maintain and repair 99% of bike parts. Also, far cheaper parts. And also free bonus exercise.
I usually look up how to maintain bits on my bike as they become necessary rather than all in one go. Same with buying tools for it.
First get a few cleaning bits. Then a few tools to split a chain and some quick links along with the tool to connect/disconnect quick links. Tools to fix an inner tube puncture. Disc brake bleeding kit and mineral oil.
Tempted to get a proper disc brake alignment tool, pretty cheap but last time I just cut a shim from a cider can and placed those either side of the rotor.
Another major bonus is that learning how to bike doesn’t bleed the wallet, while my talentless ass trying to learn to drive a car does.
free bonus exercise
Which allows you to enjoy even more freedom fries!
I like how you think brother
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like, imagine buying a new bike for $15K and having other cyclists laugh at you for being so cheap
This has never happened ever, not even once.
Tour de France-level bikes cost $15k. You quite literally cannot spend more.
Yeah never heard anything like that, my bike was £600. Cheap bikes are the ones under £200. Once you are in the multiple thousands you are getting to pro athlete levels.
Cyclists think it’s cool that I got mine from a co-op that fixes up old bikes. Yeah there are douchebags in cycling, like any other hobby. But you also got plenty of DIY punk types and folks who just enjoy their time on two wheels
Yep. In my experience, cyclists just love any bike. They’re all nice!
While my bike was 300 and I like to say that anything above 500 is too much; I do have acquaitance with a man with a 1500€ bike that has acquaintance with a person with a 30k€ bike Dx
Don’t know about too much, but more than necessary perhaps. Mine was £600, probably didn’t need to go that expensive but I use it a lot so its hardly a bad choice either.
Then again, got over £200 in accessories with just the ortlieb XL pannier bags. I cycle to work every day, so arguably its pretty easy to justify spending a fair bit. If I took the bus that would cost over £1k a year. So even that €1.5k bike is fairly easy to justify compared to bus prices if you want a decent bike.
person with a 30k€ bike Dx
Unless it was a custom build or something from a luxury automotive brand, that seems unlikely.
Disc brakes aren’t fancy any more, or insanely expensive – and they can be way easier to work on than truing a wheel perfectly to get your rim brakes working just right.
Maybe I’ve been lucky but only once did i need to get my brake lines bled. Otherwise, just replace the pads when they wear out, and the thing is self-adjusting.
Miss me with that electronic shifting though. We’re not airplanes. We don’t need fly by wire.
You don’t need any of that stuff though. That’s just for rich bike nerds. Tell those dorks to get stuffed while you save a few thousand dollars.
Electric shifting has pretty much 0 maintenance these days, there are no adjustments on the electric derailleurs that bolt on to the frame. Charging it once a month is mildly annoying though and I wish they put bigger density batteries in.
Is there a benefit over wire shifting?
Either that, or make it easier to just hook up whenever I park my bike, or some kind of alarm when it’s under 20% or something. Because what happens is that I grab my bike, leave home, shift three times, and then when i’m too far out, find that it’s actually empty.
My regular city bike has manual hub gears, which I have maintained once in 25 years, and they’re fine.
Okay a funny, where I went to high school, a kid got pulled over for biking too fast. He was going like 20+, had nice road bike and strong legs, in a school zone. He didn’t get a ticket but it was funny.
School zones are like 25mph aren’t they?
Slower. At least the ones where they care are signed slower.
I think typically it’s between 15-25 mph. But honestly, in my area, people don’t even follow that
Yup, where I am e-mopeds are a hazard more than the ebike riders. Fat tire e-bike riders aren’t around as much as they used to be because I’m guessing they figured out they’re not easy to pedal if the battery dies.
The scooters are around they’re chill.
The e-mopeds riders I’ve seen are all impatient and go full throttle on the trail.
It’s 15mph on the trail. Usually 5mph on the turns.
Car[…]Requires regular inspection
Not in most areas, unfortunately
Fundamentally not a serious country
well they do so where I live, with biyearly visits to the STK (station of technical control)
For a long time Vermont allowed people living out-of-state to register their vehicles in Vermont and get a VT license plate. They do require inspections but if you were out of state and never actually went to Vermont, the inspection requirement was irrelevant. This was often used by the skoolie (school bus converted to motorhome) community to get a bus registered and legal before it was converted to a motorhome (at which point you can register it normally in most states). And it was used generally by people with shitty old cars that couldn’t pass an inspection and didn’t have a valid title. However, they closed this loophole three years ago and now you can’t newly register an out-of-state vehicle there any more.
I live in an emissions check only state. My car is an EV and I admit I take enjoyment in knowing ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) car drivers have an inconvenience that I do not.
That said, I’d rather we had regular mandatory inspections. Cars are already dangerous. We should be productively trying to catch issues that could suddenly cause them to behave unexpectedly.
Funny
I spend too much time on Lemmy because I thought you were talking immigration, not combustion engines.
Good point. Edited for clarity.
I mean good to make cars less dangerous but doesn’t this disproportionately hurt the poor? Like well off people have newer cars, and can afford to fix any code violations, but broke people are just trying to get to work. If I had lost my janky car when I was just starting out, I wouldn’t have been able to ever save up for a nicer safer car. Now I’m broke as fuck again and I hope my car would pass but it’s getting older.
doesn’t this disproportionately hurt the poor?
Is there any aspect of car culture that doesn’t disproportionately hurt the poor?
I hadn’t considered that. Which I should have, having been in that very same type of situation before.
I don’t have any great solution. Given how car-centric the US is car ownership really isn’t optional for a lot of people.
New Hampshire is grey as of this year. No inspection required!
yay pro…gr…ess??
They think it is. It’s the live free and die state
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basically cops can stop you, find something wrong, and ticket you. Biking isn’t a right. Grays can also have their own auth rules.
I dream of getting a speeding ticket on my bicycle some day. I would frame that thing so fucking hard. It’s not often that I can actually legitimately get up to a speed above the limit, but it does happen once in a while.
legitimately occurs, esp. on velomobile owners.
Time to start selling tactical bicycles
You joke but I actually did 3D-print a picatinny rail for my bike handles to install a flashlight lol
Plus, you can disconnect it and then you have a regular flashlight. I did something similar but jankier
Most of the headlights out there kind of suck anyway, I really prefer a decent flashlight.
Good flashlight: 15 bucks
Really good flashlight with a wide beam: 30 bucks
just-barely-acceptable- bike lamp: 40 bucks.
Getting a rail for my bike sounds like an excellent idea!
Bonus points for including authentic WW1/WW2 images in your promo material. Stealth!
Tbh if I could buy a new production version of the British Army folding bikes from WWII, I totally would. They look so much cooler than contemporary folding bikes!
The Japanese took Singapore largely thanks to bicycles. There must be a few photographs of that shit.
Most places i feel you can get away with riding drunk. Not swervey drunk, but more intoxicated than you should drive in a car. I don’t feel cops really care too much for drunk cyclists.
I mention this, because some people drive drunk in a 2 ton vehicle capable for killing or maiming others. Those same drivers on a bicycle would be better (though there’s still a chance for injury and death, more of that risk is to the rider than others)
In Austria i’m pretty sure you can lose your drivers license for cycling drunk
Same in the UK apparently. Don’t need a drivers license for my bike so go ahead and take it I guess?
I remember at school they used it as a threat before, the fact that we could get points on our license before we even had one for stuff on a bike. I laughed in too poor to learn to drive.
In the Netherlands, it’s technically illegal to ride a bike while drunk (or operate any other vehicle). But they pretty much never test or ticket anyone, because if people start getting tickets for cycling drunk, they’re just going to drive instead.
Ehh, my neighbor just broke his neck for riding a bike tipsy, can’t recommend. He didn’t die tho.
Be careful, you can accidentally make an error and and end up getting hit and killed, I love cycling but it can be dangerous.
Depending on the state, you can still get a DUI for riding a bike while drunk.
Florida used to use these sort of overturned metal soup bowl things as turning lane dividers. It was a way of giving a tactile warning to drivers of lane departures without damaging the cars. It was also a way of landing drunks riding their bikes at night flat on their fucking faces. You can guess how I know.
I think that’s what we in the drunk biker gang call a “skill issue”
I personally know more people who’ve gotten somewhat badly injured biking drunk (clipless pedals…) than who have hurt themselves or others driving… (1 vs 0)
Actually now that i think about it, the car accident people i know are dead, that’s why i didn’t remember… (2 fatalities that i can think of, not sure if alcohol was even involved).
clipless pedals
There’s your problem. Those things are useless and just increase the chance of falling over.
Turns out 99% of the force is on the downstroke anyway and clipless pedals don’t matter. I will die on this hill, I’ve read the studies
People should have a right to endanger themselves but not others
Agreed. Most people think that biking drunk is harmless, and it mostly is. My friend got badly hurt but she’s still alive; and that was part of her turning her life around. Unlike the people i know who were killed by cars.
Depends how much. Gone on a bike after a couple of pints before but I wouldn’t after a proper drinking session.
What this will do, is make them want the right to drive unregistered, untested vehicles that run on used frying oil.
Nah… too hippie-ish
make them want the right to drive unregistered
Lol so many of these fuckwits already think that’s true … as long as they’re just “traveling” and not involved in commercial activity.
The patty wagon from The Spongebob Movie?
