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Pedophilia has always been a part of Christianity. Mary was 13 when she gave birth to Jesus. Joesph was in his 70s. It’s the basis of the religion. At least Christianity tries to hide it by pretending that she was virgin and her child was actually from god. That’s better than, say, islam, where mohammad just outright marries Aisha when was 6 years old and pretended that allah told him its halal.
It’s very unlikely Joseph was in his 70s. Neither of their ages are mentioned. Common estimates for Mary are 13-14, and Joseph being in late teens or early 20s.
I had a Catholic education and it’s the first time I’ve heard this about Mary’s age, are those ages actually in the scriptures/Koran?
I don’t know anything about Mary in the Bible but yes Aisha was definitely 6 when she was married according to the Koran, Muslims don’t deny it. They just do a bunch of mental gymnastics to explain how that’s somehow okay. Usually involving the fact that he waited until she was 9 to consummate the marriage, how noble and considerate.
Yes, but Marry technically didn’t get diddled.
Mary:
Not by Joseph, but someone diddled her and he’s allegedly much older.
Three wise men decided to stop by for no reason.
Three dudes: “That big star is in the sky again, Mary wants us to run another train on her!”
Shows up with her payment
“Oh.”
Only because of a mistranslation
That doesn’t make any sense. Morality is not something that was given by Gods, but something we have invented.
Morality and legislation used to be entirely justified by being the word of God. Not that long ago (enlightenment) we started making those decisions based on what we think is a good idea. That’s basically what Nietzsche was talking about when saying “good is dead”, he didn’t mean that literally…
The Republican party is not a monolith guys, it’s made up of several distinct groups such as child rapists and child rapist enablers.
Oh the regimes biggest protector of child raping scum are the Abrahmic religions including fundamentalists such as:
- the Catholic church ran an industrial scale child raping, torture and incitement to suicide system. This pushing people to kill themselves was a key policy by the church leadership, to avoid paying compensation of their victims even after the raping priest has been imprisoned and guilt could not be mitigating
suicides(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sex_abuse_cases_in_the_United_States
“Church officials followed a “playbook for concealing the truth”, minimizing the abuse by using words like “inappropriate contact” instead of “rape”.”
And that’s with a head buried in the sand approach that US authorities take with religion ie it has to be so blatant and undeniable before they’ll investigate.
However from Ireland to Australia in those two countries alone the Catholics abused tens of thousands of children. There are as many or more cases in the US and yet its clear the authorities are happy to pretend otherwise.
Worse the abuse and active protection and cover up went to the Cardinals themselves, both Cardinal Pell and Clancy were rapists and rape protectors.
Southern Baptist Churches
SBC’s executive committee, detailing that SBC leaders had stonewalled and disparaged clergy sex abuse survivors for nearly two decades. It also listed the named cases that involved the admission, confession, guilty plea, conviction, judgement, sentencing and registered sex offenders. It did not include cases that did not relate to sexual abuse nor cases that ended in acquittal. The report listed more than 700 entries within the parameters
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_cases_in_Southern_Baptist_churches
- extensive sexual abuse in Hasidic and Haredi jewisg cults
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_cases_in_Brooklyn's_Haredi_community
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hush_(novel)
The leadership of religiious organisation are devoid of the moral and ethical leadership their organisations claim is a God given.
It is little surprise they are happily refusing to mount any meaningful protests against the Trump regime.
Shit the the closest I’ve seen religious organizations protests the Trump regime was the grassroots spontaneous protest of various clergy in the Minneapolis to stop airlines from running ice deporting/transfer flights.
I honestly believe that the Catholic Church has been operating an intergenerational homosexual trafficking ring for centuries. Most, perhaps all, of the molesting priests were probably molested by priests themselves when they were very young, and like many abuse victims, grew up to be abusers themselves, using the same vehicle as their abusers - the Catholic Church itself.
That’s why the Church has always excused it and covered it up: it’s literally a long-standing tradition, and a major recruiting strategy. You wouldn’t have nearly as many priests if your only draw was celibacy.
Don’t forget the Mormons!
And Catholics.
Like they said, child rapist enablers
Little of column A, little of column B…
Check out poor Lot whose evil daughters plot to get him drunk so they can rape him. The poor old man, I’m sure there was no redaction going on in post production.
Remember that he tried hand them over to a gang of would be angel-rapists, first.
Instead of taking his virgin daughters, the mob wanted the men (angels). Pretty demoralizing for his daughters. Lot’s daughter may be the first recorded femcels, which would explain their desperate attempt at getting pregnant by their father.
Musta been a bunch of ugly bitches.
Oh, c’mon, you were thinking it, too.
i mean, the catholics managed
If the Pope can figure it out, so can you.
This is the purpose confession serves
Literally zero friction integrating pedophilia into traditional Christianity
It’s already been there forever, they’re just saying it out loud now.
literally zero friction
There’s a joke in there, but I’ll go to Hell if I make it.
I mean, if the Evangelical Christians are going to Heaven - I’d rather go to hell
I’d go for the music alone
Chicago kicks ass!
Hey, this coke tastes like Pepsi!
You know what they say: Go to Heaven for the atmosphere, go to Hell for the company
Also, if the Biblical god existed, supporting or worshiping it would be an incredibly immoral thing to do. Yahweh is perhaps the most vile and evil character in all of literature. It’s hard to imagine anything more evil.
The Gnostics really were onto something there. They’re the only Christian sect that makes a lick of sense.
The teletubbies HAVE to be more evil. I swear they are hiding something
No need, it’s already part of it and has been for centuries.
Remember how the Catholic church raped kids and protected pedophiles? It’s not just Catholicism.
Also many of The other denominations too
Tbh theres pedophilia and incest in the bible already
But sometimes it depends on the translation (and language)
Have you read the Bible? Harems, concubines, child brides, slavery, women shouldn’t speak, etc…
I don’t think the Bible talks about child brides. Without that, none of those are related to pedophilia…
Have you read the Bible?
Evangelical Chriatians:
Victor Garber!
You misspelled “cretins”
As a former evangelical Christian I can assure you that any average one of them can only be said to have read the bible in the same way that I could be said to have read my favorite cook book. If that.
Ok, so what is the current canon?
I don’t think the new testament includes child diddling, but I didn’t read much of that either.
Probably because I lost faith quite some time ago.
Well, as I see it, evangelical Christianity has just about totally morphed into Christian Nationalism by now, and the canon for Christian Nationalism seems to essentially be Trump’s Truth Social feed.
Oof, how can someone be so mindless, that they will go against basic human decency to do whatever leader tells them?
Proof that philosophical zombies are real.
That’s insightful, thank you.
As someone who did read the full book years ago when going to school and remembers fuckall in it except how repetitive and boring the Old Testament was, this helps me understand their approach of picking and choosing scripture.
This is brilliant
Oblig. 45-second masterpiece
Numbers 31:17-18 KJV
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Numbers is good but for the very best ultra-violence I suggest Deuteronomy
Deut. 21:18-21
18 If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” 21 Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death.
What… the actual… fuck
So, if I understood right, they groom them for when they are adults? That’s…little better.
You are still grooming a child just for sex.
As Jesus intended /s
A lot of people don’t know this but the Ghost that banged Mary was only 12.
But it’s okay because it was actually incest
What
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At first I though this wasn’t a shitpost.
Then I thought shitposts have evolved into what would previously have been called cutting, brilliant satire. Then I thought that fascists killed satire, and this is just straight-up news.
Finally I realized this is indeed a shitpost and should have just thought “Yeah, heh.” And be done with it.
“Well God can use ‘imperfect people’. Just look at King David.”
How that story actually went…
David: Has an affair with Bathsheba and has her husband assassinated.
God: “Listen here you little shit. I gave you everything you could ever want and you decided that wasn’t enough. I’m feeling merciful so I won’t kill you like you killed Uriah. Instead, you can spend the rest of your miserable life suffering the consequences of your evil deeds.”
Yes, instead he tortures David’s innocent child to death for a week for David’s crime. And no punishment at all for the 200 philistine foreskins or any other of David’s immoral behaviour
How old do you think the Virgin Mary was?
She was pubescent, and thus irrelevant to pedophilia.
Old enough to be considered a woman, but culturally it could have been as young as 16.
When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! (Luke 1:41-42)
There wasn’t consent though. It can be spun that way, but biblically Mary was destined to carry, and screw any free will.
Mormons took that and really ran with it, as their a “Doctrine & Covenants” are much more blatant in support of rape. Joseph Smith told Emma Hale that God would destroy her for refusing to marry him.
How do they support rape? Or do you consider it rape of I tell I woman she’ll go to hell if she doesn’t consent?
Because in D&C 132:54, Emma is threatened with destruction if she refuses. That’s called rape by duress.
She did consent though. It’s in the account.
Yes. it can absolutely be spun that way, as I said. As most anything in the Bible can be. Let me ask this then. Could she have said no? And when would that have happened?
Are we really debating the sky wizard role playing game book?
No, just debating which set of rules we’re playing by.
“I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.” Then the angel left her.
It’s in Luke chapter 1. I mean a lot of people believe believe none of it happened, whatever. But consent was part of the account.
That was AFTER impregnation, though, and under duress from supernatural beings. I don’t think that’s the correct order of operations for valid consent…
No, the angel was telling her what was going to happen. It was speaking in future tense, and she agreed while talking to the angel.
34 “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
35 The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. 36 Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be unable to conceive is in her sixth month. 37 For no word from God will ever fail.”
38 “I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.” Then the angel left her.
I guess it’s consent. The master/deity or their aide comes to the servant and tells them of master’s will, the great plan. The servant says, yeah, okay.
Yet another fail in writing. Why not make it so God and Gabriel give her the choice, and she adamantly agrees? Remove all doubt from the story’s plot. Or better yet, add some drama, have Mary unsure, and Gabriel explains the importance (not that it’s already planned, but why her choice is key to the direction of salvation and all that). And she with some thought decides to do it.
Oh, right… that would give a woman some agency. Never mind.
Could have been as young as 13, as Virgin generally meant not ready for sex yet.
however it is a misconception that people married and had kids young in the past. generally it was in your early 20s even in antiquity
She was called a woman by her cousin who was so old that John the Baptist’s birth was miraculous. She could have been older, not all women married young. But to be considered a woman she wouldn’t have been 13.
Pedophilia is already part of the Bible, is it not?
I’m pretty sure pedofilia is a problem in most religions. That’s why I choose no religion
