I’m really confused what this could be referring to.
Because the folks who’ve been around the longest and remember the early days of the Internet are currently in utter dismay over how their fun international sandbox has become a Black Mirror-esque horror show, while everyone else seems to just shrug and obediently upload their face scans so they can watch AI videos of uncanny-valley cats playing cruel pranks on facsimiles of political figures in-between unskippable ads for applying to be an ICE agent under promises that it’ll be like COD but in your own backyard with living, breathing brown people.
This my brother.
I was assuming OP means all those gross out pics/vids, or the death/violent stuff. Those pain olympics were something else, and I couldn’t finish 2 girls 1 cup.
Not just me then
I’ve been around since 94. It was never this bad.
me at 11, hanging out in public chat rooms with Neonazis, pedos, and scientologists debating the Hubble deep field without knowing what any of those things are but just happy to be included.
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Any people were responding with it. The post has overplayed the actual cautiousness of those who were around back then.
Public chatrooms were everywhere too. It was just the default, anywhere you went. AOL, yahoo games, random websites for no reason.
Even as late as Starcraft 2 (so 2010-), you’d open the game and immediately be dropped into a giant public chatroom on the home screen with everyone else currently playing.
A/S/L ?
“15/f/Cali”
Says 99% of the dudes in the aol chat room.
Oh man, I remember being shown goatsee.
“…the AOL days…”
That funny feeling when AOL users consider themselves the experienced, wisened ones.
I mean aol stared in 1989 it’s been here pretty much from the start.
I think only those who used AOL use it as a milestone. Those who used AOL were poorly regarded. It was a sanitized version of the internet.
If this is all happened before why the fuck did you guys let it happen again
If you aren’t horrified by what’s happening to Iran right now then you’re an empathy deficient and that comes with a separate set of problems.
I’m 40, and absolutely remember the old internet. But the news traumatizes me so consistently lately I find myself crying every day.
I have a handful of colleagues in Iran so I probably emphasise with it more than the usual horrors but stuff like this has been going on non stop around the world my entire life so idk why you’d be uniquely horrified by it
I don’t know the context for this microblog, but I don’t think whats happening in Iran is what he was thinking of when he said “digital horrors”.
I remember seeing footage of bombings from the Bosnian war in the 90’s. Well before digital video on the internet was popular, it was just on cable TV.
I don’t know Lauderdale personally, but he has a funny YouTube channel and seems cool enough that I’m gonna hold off on judging this without context.
Eh, you get used to it.
I hope not. As difficult as it is to be sad every waking moment, I think being numb to this would be worse.
I met my spouse on AOL 25 years ago.
That’s amazing. It doesn’t seem crazy these days to meet your spouse online, but I know y’all must have gotten some funny reactions telling people back then.
The early Internet had a few simple rules:
- Never feed a troll
- Never trust anything written online
- Never tell anyone your real name or address
- There are no girls online (i.e. people are not who they claim to be)
- Online is not IRL
And most people knew these rules. The proliferation of the Internet has brought a lot of people who don’t understand these rules in to the fold and it has made the Internet a worse place. “Normies” seemingly think the Internet world works like your normal social interactions - it does not. The anonymity of the Internet brings out the worst in people. We really need to bring back the rules of the early Internet for the safety of everyone.
Feel free to comment more rules if you remember any.
As much as I miss the early Internet though, I genuinely do wish I’d had more protection from the seedier sites. I am not better off for having seen the gore and shock sites.
- Use a nick (handle, username) that doesn’t give anything away
The people who came after me didn’t know that one and started putting their birth year, hometown, etc. into their usernames.
One time I was chatting with a woman who told me she was single. I’m still not quite sure if she was, but she had a kid with the claimed ex. However, the ex - or whatever he was - found out I was talking to her and left a voicemail threatening me.
I don’t remember what he said exactly, but I do remember one detail. She and I had only talked online and over the phone. I never gave any really location specific information to her, just my first and last name and phone number. In his voicemail, he said “I will find you. I will Google your ass!”
Even now, if you Google my first and last name, you get results about some CEO, not me. I’ve never tried googling my phone number.
I’ve never tried googling my phone number.
Send me your phone number and I’ll Google it for you.
“Pics or it didn’t happen” doesn’t really work anymore.
Never tell anyone your real name or address
more importantly, if you do know the real identity of another participant, don’t reveal it
NGL, I saw the gore and shock as well - stileproject, rotten, marsonline, ogrish, bestgore… and even WPD on Reddit in the early days and it really did give me an appreciation for safety first! in almost everything I have done since.
The biggest rule was proof/cites linking to legitimate sources, (not conspiracy sites or your friend “Sally” on facebook) or it didn’t happen.
The eternal September brought new people without end who never acclimated.
Broadband reached rural communities.
That’s what Eternal September means.
Translator note: keikaku means plan
Oh absolutely, I also believe that growing up with dialup was great, it meant that being online cost money, giving parents incentive to monitor the time spent online by children, and gradually getting used to being online.
I remember asking and being allowed 30 min online, every few weeks.
It worked well as we hadn’t transitioned to an online first society.
Then later in school there were a few shock sites being sent around, goatse was never huge at my time in school, for me the most prolific shock site around school was lemonparty.
Even later in school, I started realizing how much gore and weird crap you could find, and a morbid curiosity took over forna few days, I remember finding a picture of a guy who got beheaded after falling on a spiked fence, you could see the head on one of the spikes, and another time when I saw the aftermath of a guy being sucked into a jet engine, that one was quite mild as the result was too abstract and you only saw a red paste, so it never bothered me.
As it stands now, I think there is a value of mild supervision of kids and teens when online.
I mean mild in a way that full access is allowed but only on a desktop in a shared space.
And at 16 they can move their computer into their own room, and at 18 any admin account on their computer that the parents have should be removed.
I had dialup, but we had 2 phone lines and our phone company was the ISP so a local number with unlimited access. I’ve been terminally online for way too long.
Unable to log off, praying for an end
We really need to bring back the rules of the early Internet
- There are no girls online (i.e. people are not who they claim to be)
Nah, I think some things should be left in the past
Just replace it with “on the internet everyone is lying about who they are and the person goading you on is either 15 or a fed”
Add I understand it, the real meaning of that line is not exactly what it sounds like. It meant something like “in this anonymous place, only your thoughts matter, not your identity.” If an idea was good, it was good, and it didn’t matter who had the idea. Very egalitarian.
Of course, we have since realized that isn’t really true. Sometimes it’s important to know if a thought is coming from a woman, who has had different experience from a man.
Still an idea that need to be left behind, but not the one you probably think.
You also never clicked an advert or used your real name.
Please tell me that people aren’t clicking ads…
My wife does. I throw it back in her face whenever she gets wide ‘you click the ads’
I’ve clicked a few. Mostly by accident, the rest by deception.
Enough are doing it that it’s still profitable. Last estimates I saw were 10% who saw an ad clicked one, and 10% of those who clicked bought what they saw
That’s just hard to fathom for me. Wow.
It’s actually been dropping over time. It used to be more like 10%, now I see some people celebrating 0.4% conversation rate. What’s also been happening in conjunction is the cost has dropped. On like Facebook and stuff now you can serve like 1000 impressions for like $5 or something. I don’t know exact numbers on cost there but stupid low like 0.10¢ per clicked ad.
Across a lot of media, impressions are so cheap now they don’t even charge for them, just the clicks cost (“CPC” is the charge type, “cost per click”). They track impressions to give advertisers metrics on conversion rates, but they don’t charge for them.
1% of ad views result in a sale? That seems implausible
The terms you want to search of you’re curious “Click through Rate” and “Conversion Rate”. It’s actually been falling over time as people get more and more used to ignoring ads or using ad blockers. They vary some for type of product and location of ad (fantasy novels on a book blog are likely to be higher, drop ship Amazon stuff on Facebook are likely to be lower), but yeah, not super high.
The thing is, I do not honestly object to ads - the internet has got to be paid for somehow…
My objection is the way that ads are served. It’s the creepy stalking users far and wide across the web that irks me.
This targeted bullshit. No, no and NO!
I’m more likely when I am on any given site - to check out an ad that is discrete, static and embedded and shows up regardless of the ad blocker I use.
That is different.
At that point, I’m seeing something that another person or business that runs the site has made a decision to advertise, it may be a product or service they like and use.
The rest of it though… can rot.
Back in the day you could catch malware from online ads. And the pop-ups, the damn pop-ups, so annoying. For me, the final straw was when ads got sound. That got real old real fast, kind of like web pages with embedded MIDIs. I installed an ad blocker and haven’t looked back. Any time I browse Internet without a blocker it’s a horror show that kills me inside. If ads were reasonably sized static images I could manage it, but advertisers shot themselves in the foot by making their ads so obnoxious and went all-in on tracking. The trust is gone forever. Ads and advertisers can burn in hell.
The pop-up ads that spawned more pop-ups, and they were all animated and played sound. The only way out was holding down the power button until the computer dies.
From an actual conversation I had once:
“What’s your problem with adds, I love them. They always recommend things I could actually use. It’s genuinely a great way for me to learn about new products or services.”
Do we know the same people? I asked the two who said this if they actually click on the ads and buy something. You can imagine my horror when they said yes. Meanwhile, I have a Pihole on my network and uBlock on every single browser.
do you live within c-suite boardroom powerpoint presentation
Sure. Fundamentally, this is what ads should do. The problem comes from how intrusive they are in pushing their propaganda. And now they’re literally everywhere.
I remember back in the day before browser tabs when sites would open new windows for ads. And sometimes those ads would open more windows for ads. And some of those windows had sound, or porn, or both. Worse yet, some would open off screen so you couldn’t easily close them. That’s where the term “pop-up” came from in pop-up blockers.
~Talk about whack-a-mole.~
Even Youtube is filled with scam ads, trusting ads to deliver you worthwhile results is like trusting Facebook not to sell your data to the highest bidder.
Wait… you’re watching youtube w/o an ad-blocker?
I haven’t seen a YT ad in more than a decade, I did happen to watch this Coffeezilla video yesterday on AI deepfake ads.
I sometimes do it if it’s a company I really dislike. Then I immediately click back, happy in the knowledge that my brief action probably cost that company a tiny bit of money.
(Side note: I’m an early Internet user.)
Are you one of those people that returned empty prepaid junk mail flyers? ;)
Every time! I usually filled the envelope with whatever other rubbish I could fit in it too.
🤝
I used to click ads on websites I liked back in the aughts
I don’t even see the ads anymore, just the close button. My eyes just slide off the edges.
The only thing that continually surprises me about the internet is how young y’all are.
I’m 61 and feel like an absolute fossil out here most days.
The kids are just babes…
I was watching my own foot surgery the other day (local anesthetic) and even the surgeon’s assistant had to cringe a bit at a certain spot while I was happily watching. She said most patients have to look away during these procedures but after growing up with unrestricted access to the internet and an at times unhealthy amount of curiosity I’ve seen it all. Should I have watched those isis beheading videos? Probably not. The production value was insane though.
i watched the video of them cutting that guy’s head off too, and i’m the opposite now. in fact i’m trying to figure out how to not faint and piss myself when i get a blood draw. i fucking hate it, it’s so stupid, i get tattoos and i’m fine, but if i even think about anything going past a certain depth to my insides (blood lab, surgery, injection), it triggers vasovagal syncope
Same, it’s something about the precious bodily fluids
getting drunk before a shot seems to somewhat help for me, at least for injections, but that would be ill advised for surgery, since it thins the blood
Also sounds bad for a blood draw, or getting to/from the facility.
yep
Back before TLC was trash they had a show called The Procedure where they showed a full surgical procedure, uncut and uncensored. Just a camera pointing down at the table or video from inside.
I was the only one in my family who could stomach it thanks to the internet.
i remember going to ogrish.com and rotten.com and thinking “wow the internet is fucking great,” and trolling people on AIM chat before anyone called it “trolling.” then i grew up
I got reported to the FBI by my hosting provider for running a AIM password brute force cracker which I used to steal my pals accounts.
Being 12 and visiting rotten.com with your friends after class was our passage to adulthood ritual
Rotten was my go to site for checking whether my connection was working. No idea why.
yea, weird to think i can’t really look at that kind of stuff anymore. even the charlie kirk murder–i watched the uncensored front row footage and said “ok, i never need to watch this, or anything like it ever again”
I showed my grandmother that picture of the 12-foot long fecal impaction in a bathtub that was on Rotten and she almost died laughing so hard.
There were some absolute gems on rotten.
That was a passage of some sort.
You can also tell who’s been online for a long time, when they’re just tired of some snarky troll’s shit to block them when their shitty responses are read to your posts and replies. We see things these idiots think nobody else sees.
Only newbs block.
