Which is why it’s a shame to see you fight each other as if that isn’t the case.
I would wholeheartedly recommend reading How To Win Friends And Influence People (or at least this summary). Especially if you’re trying to convince people to vote in the midterms.
In my defense, you’re opinion is wrong.
Wtf is a “well intention?”
Crazy thought, but as we descend into fascism maybe we should simply vote in the manner most likely to remove those fascists and stop the descent instead of voting for candidates that literally cannot win to try to prove some kind of point.
I never thought my stance of “we should vote and also try to organize long term change, local support, and maybe even a socialist revolution as treat” would be meet with such vitriol. And not about the second part, just daring to suggest people also vote, like, at all.
You see, here’s the difference. Maga are not humans. They are small little cockroaches and we need to label every one of them so we could exterminate them later.
They do not deserve basic human rights, healthcare or clean air. They are not entitled to pension. These roaches should be sterilized
Oh yeah, let’s become the people we are trying to get away from, that’ll work out.
Oh I forgot the /s
I’m just here to see the meme get proven right in the comments
Really? You’re not going to say Harris had some good points? What if Hillary didnt steal the 2016 nomination from Bernie? Would there be Trump 2020 is he lost in 2016?
Next you’ll say both sides make good points, fucking democrats.
That was fast
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
We don’t need good intentions. We need strategies that work and a plan.
After watching nearly two straight years of this shit, I want to see results that fix some of these problems and stop the bleeding. I give less than a shit if we all kumbaya our way there together.
Well, the better way forward would be acknowledging that the Democratic party isn’t a party and building the institutional infrastructure to respect that this is a coalition of several entirely distinct constituencies with very different views and restructure internal party politics to reflect that. Right now, the problem is the Democratic party doesn’t actually HAVE a platform. It has a platform statement, most of which the “party” will never achieve because there isn’t a single plank that is supported by every congress critter. About the only thing we all agree on is “Not Trump, not now, not ever” and why is entirely up to the individual.
We also have to come to grips with the fact that what the donors want, and what the voters want, are entirely different things and both sides of that are impotent without the other. We have witnessed what happens when money runs the show. Voters don’t show up and chaos ensues. We also know that without money, organizing becomes impossible in an economy where any kind of volunteer service costs individuals a whole lot more than just some free time.
the Democratic party isn’t a party
For better or worse (it literally cannot be worse than the Republican party), the Democrat party is the only party that can unseat the Republican party from power. That is the reality we live in.
Vote accordingly.
You’re right, it can’t be worse than the Republicans. But who are the Democrats going to be better for? Because they keep standing up and saying it won’t be better for everyone, and that doesn’t sound like a winning message to me.
Might be my supposition, but I believe the more aggressive political posters happen to come out of hibernation specifically for election time and then go back to sleep until the next cycle.
True they are all Russian bots meant to distract voters from the real enemy, Putin
This, especially places like the latestagecapitalism@lemmy.world by K1nsey6@lemmy.world
They banned me (as well as delete my reply) for pointing out their obvious “both sides” propaganda meant to discourage voter turnout.
I suggest checking it out to understand what modern propaganda is like
LateStageCapitalism@lemmy.world is not a valid sub. It is run by a single crybaby mod (GodlessCommie) who deletes comments and bans those who disagree with his juvenile opinions. Guy is a trashcan infant on a permanent power trip. Block the sub to avoid obvious quitter propaganda.
Thanks for that; blocked that sub.
complaining about people identifying the toxicity of the bipartisan consensus is just shooting the messenger. you complain about propaganda, while you yourself are reproducing a propaganda narrative.
if the democrats actually distinguished themselves from the republicans it would motivate people to vote for them. the party most responsible for demotivating people is the democrats, rather than owning that their loyalists prefer to blame anything else.
Pick one
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Democrats are loyalists
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Democrats don’t turn out to vote for their own party
Also ML accounts always come out of the woodworks to discourage voter turn out. I wonder why?
those two points are not contradictory at all.
loyalists vote for the party regardless, but there aren’t enough loyalists to win without a broader turnout. winning requires turnout from people that the party has failed to motivate. that was what happened last election at least.
but yeah totally, any criticism of democrats is actually secret sabotage or whatever
Also ML accounts always come out of the woodworks to discourage voter turn out. I wonder why?
dawg you showed up 4 months ago and i’ve been here for years
What? I’m talking about the obvious ML bots/ propagandists coming out of nowhere to discourage voting by vehemently making “both sides” arguments. What does my account age, you’re grasping at any straw
Back to this topic you really want to defend: Places like the latestagecapitalism@lemmy.world by K1nsey6@lemmy.world
They banned me (as well as delete my reply) for pointing out their obvious “both sides” propaganda meant to discourage voter turnout.
I suggest checking it out to understand what modern propaganda is like
I suggest checking it out to understand what modern propaganda is like
you certainly seem like a victim of it.
They banned me (as well as delete my reply) for pointing out their obvious “both sides” propaganda meant to discourage voter turnout.
i’d ban you from any comm i moderate for being like that too tbh.
your account age matters cause the one with a fresh account who popped up near an election to act as a propagandist is you
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When both parties are beholden to the billionaire donor class then what is your argument against this?
Unconditional support for a party we have no say in gave us Trump. The DNCCC and super-delegates gave us Trump. The Democratic party isn’t democratic.
We want democrats, not Demo©®at$.
Who said unconditional support?
The goal is to immediately stop the descent into fascism by electing the ONLY party that can unseat the fascists THEN reform that party by voting out the assholes who can’t get onboard with what voters want.
You are not getting a viable 3rd party by November OR by 2028.
The Democrats were a participant to genocide, and still are. They armed fascists in Israel. They armed fascists in Ukraine. The list goes on and on.
Are you just NIMBY about fascists? I’m sorry that I don’t follow your narrow chauvinist vision in regards to selective opposition to fascism.
Nazis are bad everywhere, not just here, and even within our supposed “enemies”.
Fascists are my only enemies, wherever they may be.
I hope you at least get paid well for your work here.
Good argument, I am on your side now, switched 180°
Remember, it’s more like ~20°. We’re stronger together.
Why go against Trump when you can slander democrats and advertise third parties that have no chance to begin with?
To add, in 2024 the 3rd party candidate with the most votes was magician Jill Stein, who magically appears right before elections, then magically disappears again afterward. And she got a whopping half of a single percent of the total votes cast.
So yeah, ain’t no 3rd party going to win a federal election anytime in the near or remote future. And ain’t no 3rd party even really trying. So why fucking vote for them?
You forgot to capitalize the word Demo©®at. These two words have opposite meanings.
I see the army of redefiners is here to prove OP right. Stop this nonsense.
They admitted in court that it’s not a democratic process so they couldn’t be held to that standard.
Also, I have heard zero talk from them about transitioning from a republic to democracy, so they are also republicans as I see it.
Words can be hard. I get it.
Words can be hard. I get it.
This coming from the person who apparently thinks political party names are literal. Do you think the nazis were socialist? It’s in the name so it must be true!
You do not capitalize the word democrat unless you’re talking about members of a corporate controlled party within the United States. What’s so hard to understand?
Do you really see the idea as exclusive to you? I get it. Americans don’t see democracy as universal, just some selective cudgel you weaponize to steal natural resources. It’s not. It’s a universal human right that we all are entitled to.
Democrats are not democratic. They just aren’t.
Good thing lemmy isn’t a courthouse so we say words with the intention of understanding instead of debate :3
I would say that we’re living in a truthy alternative facts America, where nothing is defined, everything is a pejorative, and it’s not just Trump.
Nah that’s just an ex redditer thing. Have alternative plans for when voting get subverted, if your just banking on voting democrats in to fix things and Donald won’t cry fowl and block it. Your planing for failure.
That seems like a good idea too. Hope for the best, plan for the worst.
But I’d say arguing over who’s got the better opinion is what democracy is about. It’s messy, loud and sometimes violent but I think it’s better than living somewhere where only one opinion is allowed.
Yeah, but it doesn’t have to be messy and loud.
Yep. Discourse. We need to be more engaged, not less. Unconditional support for Democrats gave us Trump.
Unconditional support for Democrats gave us Trump.
Lol. Millions of bigots and low-IQ dipshits in the right geographical areas propaganidized and waiting for an amoral low-life to say bigot shit and make ridiculous promises is what gave us Trump.
Democrats being a participant to genocide had nothing to do with it?
Offering ACTUAL populist reforms that could have helped these dipshits wouldn’t have worked?
Why did so many Obama voters switch to Trump, other than they were dipshits to believe either party?
I would love to see a 3rd party candidate win one year, and face house and senate stacked with Ds and Rs, shooting down everything they try to achieve. Then have Rs take the presidency, house and senate in the next cycle and start another major war. Now that’s progressive thinking!
Edit: to actually reply to what you said, the absolute dog shit strategy from the dems gave us Trump. Biden dropping out at the last moment, making Kamala the candidate. Ouch.
Bipartisan support for genocide reinstated Trump, something Biden and Harris both supported. Not to mention all the campaign lies, “I have Bernie’s policies but BETTER…” from twenty identical ratfuckers.
You identified the problem and you don’t even realize it.
Hey, your image even got it right! If Ds were in power, the crank would not turn to the right. Believe it or not, this is the best you can get for the US.
We deserve better, and it can be achieved
Never once has anyone shown me a credible path there. Just please vote D while waiting for that miracle to happen, we need Trump out.
Vote with your heart in the primaries, vote with your head in the general. Of course you should vote Democrat. I’m just saying there are also things you can do to improve the quality of Democrats you get.
That is what you want? Holy cow.
For things to stop actively getting worse? Yes. That is what I want.
Worse for who, you or kids in Gaza?
I give zero fucks about one of these.
if only we could get rid of the right wing party that postures as left wing party and prevents all movement to the left
Want is different from “can have”. One tick to the right in that picture here means 0.5 degrees of extra warming. 3 ticks means another catastrophic war. So yeah, let’s just stop it from moving rather than attack the only thing that can stop it.
There was war happening under Biden. There was genocide happening under Biden.
Disingenuous, they clearly state they believe it is the best we can hope to achieve, not that it is what they want. I don’t think they’re correct, but this is a bad faith reading. Avoid this in the future for stronger left cohesion.
No, that is not how it works. If I want a filthy street to be clean, then not adding more trash is not a solution. You have to actually remove existing trash. Voting the same party again that has failed people now and in the past is simply not the solution. If you vote shit instead of garbage because shit is at least compositing… the street stays filthy.
This is why no one thinks you’re convincing. Because if you fundamentally believe this is the best we got, you have nothing offer, and the fact that you can’t see that means our only options are to fight you and ignore you, and when you insist on spreading your position on social media, you must be fought
Yeah, surely keep on fighting. But vote D in the mean time. Rs need to be kept away from power, and not voting D is enabling Rs.
Voting in Ds also enables Rs, and we have no shortage of examples.
